allan nol, i am honored to have you on this program, my friend. >> me too. >> good to see you. >> goodsee you, too. >> can i tell you how much, how excited i got when i saw this book come across my desk. one of this things that's wrong with our world is we don't communicate well and that's obvious. you got your fingers on the polls of what's wrong with our democracy. >> i resonated with the culture as it was happening. i did not know it is going to be so -- i have been working for a couple of years. what came out all of these years when i spent not only interviewing people in the science program which i did for 11 years, the decades before that learning to be an actor which really involves very things you need to communicate, listening deeply, truly, you know, you don't just write this stuff, you did not just write it. you teach this stuff. >> yeah, i help started the center that's now called the center of communicative science at stone brooke university. we taught over 8,000 scientists and doctors to communicate better around the country and across the world. we have a lot of experien