but i do a couple of those every day. >> host: and allan sloan?t: i had the polar opposite of geoff. i grew up -- raised. in brooklyn, new york, which is not really like south dakota. >> guest: no. >> guest: i went to brooklyn college because it was free. my father, may he rest in peace worked primarily for non-profit organizations, and my mom she worked before they were married and after my father -- she worked -- she did business out of her home our home when the kids were there. that's, by the way, when i learned how to count and do all sorts of things. i helped her. it was very heavy collar clerical stuff. i did everything in my head because it was faster. there were no calculators. it's been a help journalistically. i can do numbers in my head. >> host: how many years were you in "newsweek"? >> guest: for twelve years. i bounced around all over before that. i was in charlotte writing sports badly. then writing business, then i was at detroit for seven years. so all of our children, all three have michigan birth certificates. then i ended up a