able to pick up their "life" magazine and look at pictures of beatniks and beat writers like allen ginsberg and jack kerouac, and look at writers like jackson pollock. and folks about it wouldn't have done that much about unless they happen to be interest in the art world or in poetry to sit with at most middle-class white americans wouldn't know that much about. >> william f. buckley is the ultimate outsider? >> well, he is an interesting figure because he goes to yale in the late '40s. he is at yale, and he would not have been an outsider most places in america, but he really feels very much that he is at yale because he believes that the liberal, liberalism of professors really dominates not just the campus with academic offerings, that there is a kind of intellectual orthodoxy at yale that is constructed by these liberal professors, and that you really don't have much room to stray outside that. and he comes to school from a very conservative family, a family that half of it has roots in the deep south, and the other half not, but a very conservative catholic white family with a conserv