is nbc news capitol hill correspondent, kelly o'donnell and "usa today's" immigration reporter, allen gomez. welcome, both. first of all, do we need this $25 billion? there has been some suggestion that it's really excessive, just sort of a feel good to get the votes. but what will $25 billion do? >> believe in the people writing this call it overkill and in part is supposed to be an overwhelming symbol and commitment to say that they will more seriously address this security problem. and they acknowledge quite quickly, so much of the security problem in terms of the border is in the interior, with visas and those kinds of things. it's not at the u.s./mexico border in as great an amount. so it's a big, big number aided in part because the congressional budget office gave the original package a score that indicated there would be money saved. >> and john mccain was speaking on fox today, and, of course, he's a prime mover on this. let's watch. >> i think that this legislation should reassure anyone who is concerned about a lack of security on the border, is it more than i would have recommen

question for me is how does markey respond and can gomez really shake up the race. , sir, for your time. appreciate it. coming up next, former congressman allen west, republican of florida, will join us to talk about issues you are seeing in the papers. the irs, benghazi, etc. and later ohio representative tim ryan about the state of manufacturing and jobs in the united states. we will be right back. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> caroline harrison was certainly an active participant in benjamin harrison's political life. i have just stepped out the door as benjamin harrison did many times to address the crowd that came to hear him speak when he was campaigning for the presidency. she was very much devoted to benjamin harrison and the ideals of his campaign. when she planned her inaugural address she wanted it to be designed and made in the united eight because benjamin harrison -- united states because benjamin harrison campaign advocated we become an independent nation. and she was willing to do her part to see that happen. this probably was one of caroline