are caused by government policy and the federal reserve has been very creative and in this case allen greenspan made bad mistakes because he wanted to go out a hero. we were having a minor economic correction, he created negative economic rates. then ben bernanke created a new yield curve, because we suddenly had a negative spread, which is a whopping reason this has lasted several years. the context in which the mistakes were made were really federal reserve policies and they got deflected primarily in the housing market, specifically fannie mae and freddie -- freddie mac and fannie mae. it was destructive for housing and consumption. people don't think about it, but if you consume it and a massive overconsumption, which is one reason we have had such a hard time getting the production process going again. we have taught millions of people how to the mortgage bankers and learn new jobs. this housing, investment, the federal monetary reserve problems is particularly destructive from an economic perspective. the other thing, i don't know that we disagree on this because is because peter doesn't