. >> allen hepner represented ryan jenkins in an earlier case and managed to keep him out of jail. that's to your credit, mr. hepner. these are newly released photos of the young model, jasmine fiore. a lot of people have discounted her completely. i don't know, because she's beautiful. because she's a woman, because she was a model. she had a lot of get up and go. she had gone to obtain her real estate license. was trying to establish herself as a personal trainer. trying to make a go of it, trying to make a life for herself. what were the facts surrounding the assault on his other girlfriend? >> it was an argument. it was a rocky relationship he had with his current girlfriend at that time in calgary. they had an altercation. he admitted he assaulted her. he punched her. she fell to the ground. there were cuts and abrasions. he admitted the punches and admitted to the judge in court it was not near the scope of what you're investigating or talking about now. >> with me is veteran trial lawyer allen hepner joining us. he represented jenkins in a 2005 assault. he just completed the

. >> allen hepner, jenkins' attorney in the 2005 assault case, what do you know about this guy? you represented him. how did he appear to you? >> he appeared like all of the other clients i deal with. i don't get emotionally involved. i run the file. he followed by advice. the family followed by advice. they did what i said. they followed my recommendations and i was on to the next file after it finished. so i dealt with him like so many other unfortunate domestic violence cases we have in canada and the u.s. >> i know it's hard to -- go ahead. >> go ahead. >> well, i was just going to ask you, i know you probably really can't speak too much about your clients, but did he seem like a normal person? were there any personality -- interesting personality traits? i mean, describe him for us. >> he was an ordinary guy. he was a designer. he built -- he was a designer in terms of building condos. he was a real estate developer in canada. there was nothing that i could see that would suggest what the rest of your panel that seems to have him convicted already say about him. but, you kn

i want to go to his former attorney, allen hepner. would it be your duty to report it to authorities if he tried to reach you in canada? >> no. i would maintain client privilege if he did try to reach me or the family did. so i would deal with it according to the laws i took. >> so he would not report it and that is his duty as a defense attorney, extremely well respected attorney in the area. alain hepner. gloria, what about it? what's the duty here in the u.s. if your guy is wanted for murder and he calls you for help, what do you do? >> no. attorney-client privilege of confidentiality means that anything of a client or even a prospective client tells the attorney is confidential and could not be disclosed, that would be a violation. >> i do agree with that but there have been cases fs that pushed to the absolute limits. god forbid a child is be a ducted and is still alive and these are very strict key hypotheticals. >> is that correct? >> absolutely. there are some incidents where it's been pushed but i would agree with gloria wher

allen hepner, i know you think people are piling on with your guy, but, you know, looks can be deceiving. >> i can see that. the optics are bad. he's not around, he's left, there's the speculation that he's back in canada, somewhere in b.c. maybe. i understand all that. but the way it's all being said, you know, i mean, those two lawyers you had before agree. i mean, there's due process and there's, you know, flight or the -- the flight from a scene does not necessarily mean you're guilty. i don't know anything about this. i haven't spoken to him, and i won't comment on the case other than what i'm hearing in the media from your show as well as the -- the paper and the tv media in canada. i'm just saying let's just not -- >> do you feel comfortable telling me whether he admitted to the crime for which you represented him? was it a plea bargain? what was his demeanor and how did he accept the charges? >> well, i can't tell you what him and i talked about. you know, but i can tell you that he pleaded guilty. he was initially charged with -- in the canadian penal code, he pleaded guilty to