but you get the point, anyway. >> our guest host is allen schwartz, executive cham of guggenheim partnerser like that and you talk about confidence, increasing confidence. when we first met, you were still just an m&a banker, not just an m&a banker, but you were advising people in m&a. i think of the deal business as a great barometer of confidence. and then you look at a number like that. how do you square what's going on in terms of the confidence that the gdp number might want to bring you and what's actually happening in the m&a world right now? >> i've never been just an m&a -- >> an advisory, to some of the biggest deals that happened over the past couple of decades. >> i think first of all, you know, not too many people look in the rear-view mirror. figuring out exactly how much gdp grew on a statistical basis back in the fourth quarter is not much of an impact on people running a business today. people look at business, they look at their order book and what's happening with their customer base. and i think they've been getting better signals. i agree with scott minimumyard on thi