they knew he was lying and they went ahead and they used that lie in order to not only give allen weisselberg limited immunity but also to provide testimony against me in order to charge me. i mean now is the time for merrick garland to step up and to look at what is going on in the southern district of new york. these are not prosecutors. these are people who only care about conviction rates and they do not care about law, they don't care about justice, and it is why as the judge wrote in 2014, why innocent people plead guilty. >> you know, michael, there are people who are familiar with the matter who are telling the "wall street journal" now manhattan prosecutors, they are moving to advance their criminal investigation into donald trump's business affairs and they add that the prosecutors are fighting with trump's company over the evidence and they're continuing to talk with a lawyer of a trump organization executive who hasn't been charged. you met with the manhattan da multiple times as part of this investigation. do you have a sense of where this is headed? >> yes, so i would rather not

prosecutor who recently brought criminal charges against trump's business and trump's business cfo allen weisselbergare a prosecutor, cy vance, said it is about his office's decision to bring state charges against can curse and despite the federal pardon that we got from trump. vince as, quote as, alleged at the complaint mr. kurson launched a campaign of cybercrime manipulation and abuse from his perch at the new york observer newspaper, and now the people of new york will hold him accountable. he said quote, we will not accept presidential pardons as get out of jail free cards for the well connected in new york. the point about presidential pardon is not being get out of jail free cards, like in general ... that might just be some good speech from new york prosecutor. but it may also be a warning from somebody else in trump's orbit. because that same prosecutor, that same da who charged kurson today after he was pardoned by trump in january, that same prosecutor also right now has an open investigation into steve bannon. he was pardoned by trump on federal fraud charges the same day the trump pard

the problem with this is, allen weisselberg is now possibly going to be a key witness for the math hadn't district attorney's office if he flips. but the fact that he perjured himself during the federal investigation raises all kinds of questions about the extent to which he will cooperate or not, now with the manhattan district attorneys, whether his testimonies can be credible. and the third question as to why the southern district of new york did not press him harder and go after him more aggressively if they believe he perjured himself. this has all gotten extremely messy. it's going, i think, cloud how the manhattan district attorney's office uses in, and raise questions about whether he will flip and what his value will be as a witness if he does. >> gentlemen thank you for helping us out tonight, michael j. moore and tim o'brien, we appreciate your time. coming up. at 4:00 this morning senate democrats took a significant step towards a bill to counter republican voter suppression laws in the state. and texas senator ted cruz, once again, prove that he is incapable of shame. that is

goon to write down incriminating material when prosecutors indicted trump organization's cfo allen weisselbergmonth, it turned out, they kept internal spreadsheets detailing the scheme for example, according to the indictment, weisselberg caused the trump corporation to issue corporate checks made payable to a trump organization employee, who cashed the checks and received cash. the cash was given to weisselberg for his personal use. the trump corporation booked this cash as holiday entertainment, but maintained internal spreadsheets showing the cash to be part ofention the dead giveaway there is that trump would ne he would sit there with eric and don jr. and watch the grinch on tv "why can't you idiots be more like this guy? then yesterday, we got news about the arrest of, yet another long-time trump associate, tom barrack who was an adviser to trump's campaign and the chair of his inaugural committee, which incidentally, is also under investigation, unrelated to these new charges >> tom barrack, the chairman of trump's 2017 inaugural committee has been arrested on a host of charges, includi

prosecutor who recently brought criminal charges against trump's business and trump's business' cfo allen weisselbergrosecutor said this about his decision to bring state charges against ken kirsen despite the federal pardon kirsen got from trump. quote, as alleged in the complaint mr. cursen launched a campaign of cyber crime, manipulation and abuse and now the people of new york will hold him accountable. he said, quote, we will not accept presidential pardons as get out of jail free cards for the well-connected in new york. that point there about presidential pardons not being get out of jail free cards like in general, that might just be some good speechifying today from that new york prosecutor there, but it may also be a warning to somebody else in trump's orbit because that same prosecutor, that same d.a. who charged ken kirsen today after he was charged in january, that same prosecutor also right now has an open investigation into steve bannon who was pardoned by trump on federal fraud charges the same day trump pardoned jared's friend as well, the guy who was just charged in state court toda

now, this is relevant now because manhattan district attorney's office charged allen weisselberg andt it. they still want it because their investigation is on going. so this puts a wrinkle in this whole matter and investigation. now, ultimately the federal prosecutors had considered charging weisselberg with perjury. they considered revoking his immunity our sources told us and ult inimately they did nothing the charge was closed. he cooperated fully in the sdny investigation and charged michael cohen with campaign finance and tax violations and closed its investigation more than two years ago. you know, but again, this is relevant today because weisselberg is under indictment. he is someone prosecutors want their cooperation from and the d.a.'s office investigation actually stemmed from that federal investigation of michael cohen, so the hush-money payments are part of this investigation, too. >> so separately and very separately i should say, rudy giuliani is on cameo for people who don't know what that is, it's where you can go on and pay someone generally someone famous to record