being a white supremacist is not a bad thing. >> and according to allgier, being a white supremacistoesn't mean he belongs to one of utah state's white supremacist prison gangs. >> you got fourth reich, those dudes are aren't white supremacist. they were started by people who were rats, and pc cases. >> interesting thing about curtis was he claims he's not in a gang. he's not a gang member. he's just a white supremacist, a skinhead. and he felt there was a really, really severe difference. >> i'm no part of them. i've never been a part of them. nor will i ever be a part of them. those dudes in my mind are weak, and they're not white supremacist, more will they ever be. >> at that point one of the officers leaned in to my ear and said if you use that, he's going to get attacked. he's going to get stabbed. >> while inmates like allgier are completely aware that talking about gangs could put them in peril it is a risk they have taken time and time again when interviewed on "lockup." >> we knew that theoretically that sound bite might put him in danger but we also knew on the other hand

. >> curtis allgier. >> there is a terrifying looking guy.as put at ease when i realized he was kind of soft spoken. >> i'm here for a burglary and escape and 1 to 15 expiring in 2016. >> when we met curtis in the maximum security unit in utah, it didn't take long for tattoos to be the focus of the interview. >> tell me about your tattoos and what some of them mean. >> i have been getting tattoos since i was 13 years old. my whole family tattoos. i'm a tattoo artist on the streets and certain ones have meanings. my wife's name across my forehead. that's how i say that i love my lady and the other ones are my political beliefs. >> his political beliefs have to do with his lifelong affiliation with the skin heads. >> i was born and raised into it. my dad and uncles and all my family. being a skin head is a way of life that is preserving your race and being proud of who you are and wanting to better that. a swastika is a powerful symbol. i wear it as a pride of who i am. >> he gave a more detailed account this this previously unaired footage. >>