allight, be stein, what do post the tuesday d wether the night, it was -- this was the one thing he was clear on. it makes no economic sense, if you look at the unemployment numbers, they are getting better. wages are still low. we have a real problem in this country with wage growth on the low end, bringing people in that work for peanuts, as charles said makes it worse. the demographic strategy of the democratic party was put to the test the other night and they lost. i wonder if they go this far, will they be able to win again in two years? >> very good point. >> i think, charlie, you are wrong on every count. >> thank you. >> first of all, business, all business want immigration reform. the reason ben talked about, we have a labor shortage. now, politically -- >> those guys doing all the work in california are making millions? >> boehner can't control his own caucus on this. republican leadership wants immigration reform. if the president does this and the republicans fight him on immigration reform, they won't get the hispanic vote for 20 years. >> you really think hispanics want s

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