. - actually the first thing was with allison anders. - first thing was an allison anders movie. talk about that. - called border radio, there were a bunch of other la musicians who were part of it. we had no idea what we were, well they sort of had an idea what they were doing. they had been to ucla, and allison and kurt voss and dean lent were kind of all three running the camera and directing and writing and everything like that. and she would say, okay we're gonna do this thing. bring the blue flannel shirt that you were wearing. i look in my close there's like three or four blue flannel shirts. - which one, right. - i had no idea, i picked up the one, brought it to the thing, did the thing. and then they cut this stuff together and i walk out of one door with one blue flannel shirt, and walk into the other. walk into the phone booth with a completely different blue flannel shirt on. - what interested you about acting as opposed to music? as opposed to music? - i think it was just a little more internal, - i think it was just a little more internal, a little more. a little mo