commissioner alonso: yes. commissioner leigh: yes. vice-chair lam: yes. commissioner melara: yes. commissioner mondejar: yes. commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner tidwell: yes. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change. let's go to [unintelligible] please. population is 49. >> that is correct. a population of 49 trade it would bring the deviation from district to two 0.51%. -- 4.96%. commissioner tidwell: yes. commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner pilpel: not a street, no. commissioner mondejar: yes. vice-chair lam: no. commissioner melara: yes. commissioner leigh: yes. commissioner alonso: yes. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change. >> i have one final tweaking in russian hill. right now we have the boundary -- the southern boundary of that and goler at the top of union, correct? is that union? can we bring it down to green from venice to leavenworth -- van ness to leavenworth? >> that is a population of 1048 people. the deviation for district to up to -2.7% and a deviation for district 32 -5

alonso. any final population tweaks ? commissioner alonso: no. commissioner leigh: no. commissioner melara: no. commissioner mondejar: no more. commissioner pilpel: i tried and tried and tried. >> did we want to hear about this? you said you would fight until the end. thank you, that was helpful. commissioner schreiber: we are good with where we are right now. >> with respect for deviation? >> and it may be helpful that that will not be kept under 5. >> 4.998%. >> thank you. >> the only thing i was looking at was that other we're border. >> close your eyes. just kidding. >> you go west of that. and there is a hill at the top about. >> give them direction, please. just to the left of the block. >> that is a population of 36 people. the deviation for district 7 would be -0.64%. the deviation for district 9 would be 9.4%. commissioner pilpel: no. commissioner mondejar: what is the rationale? >> you go on up and you cannot really go, it is more 7 in my geographic world. commissioner m-- commissioner mondejar: you are not affecting -- >> if anything, you are bringing more of

commissioner alonso: yes. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change. >> what are the boundaries now for cathedral hill neighbors? i think we killed the whole thing that people want us to do. that is what is left in that little corner. >> this area? that is geary to van ness to golf. that is the existing boundary. >> people came to testify before us and we made changes for people here every time they come to testify but we have forgotten about the people who came before the last one and that is what i am very concerned about, we keep going back and forth and we have gone back on our word. basically. chairman mcdonnell: we have agreed we can revisit our own decisions and we have not made a commitment to anyone. we have not come back -- gone back on our word. where we are now in the process is our highest priority which is population. all other interests from my point of view are secretary to our population challenge. unfortunately, that is going to cause us to have to revisit or in other cases, not be able to

alonso? >> i am going to say no, because even though i live right there, i am going to say that i think two supervisors is more than adequate for the park. that should be fine. >> mr. mcdonnell? >> i say no for the same reasons. i am actually opposed to splitting the park at all. >> so we will not make this change. >> thank you. >> i thought the eastern side had more merit. thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. are there any other non population based? >> yes. i had, i was wondering if we could consider moving all of the uc campus into district 5 and keep it together. initially, i had suggested district 7, but it looks like more of district 5 once it, so i would propose doing that. >> could you please highlight that? >> it is, the borders are? drive, clarendon and up. all of the way to parnassus. >> do we know if there is student housing or graduate student housing? it is within a region highlighted? >> the population. >> in the highlighted area, there is a population of 405. would you like

alonso? >> no. >> ms. tidwell? >> no. >> ok, next? >> i would add an sentence, the task force received various coverage, including neighborhood blogs and ethnic media. that's not anywhere in here. i think it should be. >> ok, one more time. hold on. ms. tidwell? >> aapologize -- -- apologies. >> that's ok. get ready. >> where am i putting it? >> where are you suggest something >> ok, page 5 just before the task force was initially allocated. >> so the top of the page? >> ok. >> ok? go. >> the task force received considerable media coverage -- >> hold on. >> i'm a lawyer. i'm not good at this. i have it. >> the task force received considerable media coverage in various outlets, including mainstream media, newspapers and blogs and ethnic media. yep. that's it. thank you. >> ok? thank you very much. hold on. ms. tidwell? >> i just had a question. the q.r. facebook and twitter media. what q.r. stands for? >> quick response. >> is it ok if i spell that out or is it just? >> yes, you could do a parens. >> is it two words? >> it's two words,

commissioner alonso: no. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change. >> can you go back in for a moment? >> eight? >> yes, please. commissioner leigh: could i also ask and ne -- that needle that goes down, circular, is there population there? >> those are freeway parcels. >> 27 people. >> i take it back. >> we have got 27 people that are on a severe peninsula. >> it is not -- >> that may be 280. >> san jose becomes 280. >> we could do a satellite overly. -- overlay. >> 280. when we click on it, it comes back at i-280. >> the border between 7 and 11 ought to be to 80. and stuff that -- to render aid. stuff that is north of the freeway in that area ought to be in seven. i do not know where there are actual people in that zone, if there's a house there i missed or something. or homeless. the center line there really ought to be 280. [inaudible] in that area. >> i wish we had not made the move we just made but we just did it. i do not know what else to say. >> are you proposing the needle? >> where is it now? >>

alonso: we did miss one thing for section 4. on district 9, we did put it north of the park in district 9. mr. mcdonnell: that is a point of fact. >> you're talking about district considerations. >> it is in the 11 write-up. are we putting them in twice? >> across all of them, we had -- >> my point is there is a bunch of redundancy. everything should show up in five. if it is stated once, the point is captured. are you satisfied -- >> it even says mclaren park south. it would make sense for the reader that mclaren park north would be included in the section. mr. mcdonnell: ok. sure. >> the web would resolve that is to put the text in the district where it ended up. that is just the way i would do it. mr. mcdonnell: thank you. we are resolved. ok. with that intro the city attorney just offered, what follows is -- how would you say it in court? >> exhibit a. mr. mcdonnell: recognized neighborhoods. that goes tehre as -- there as a replacement. the intro to those sections is correct. district 1 and the deviation. district to come a

alonso: yes. mr. leigh: yes. i have a question. should i ask my question? the question had to do with the description between neighborhoods and institutions. i think this refers to the lead. however the lead-in is phrased, as long as it is consistent with the content with what is indicated for each district. right now, it looks like it is a reference to neighborhoods. i think we need to reconcile that of it to include institutions. >> i encourage you to stick with the recognized neighborhoods language. the purpose of having the findings is to justify going above 1%, which you can only do for recognize neighborhoods. >> i understand that logic. i think there are a couple of important exceptions. i am fine with taking this general approach. with district 10 -- right now, it is listed in the consultants list as general hospital with a note. that would be problematic to just leave it that way. mr. mcdonnell: i will withdraw what i just proposed. let's go district by district. let's see if there any exclusions you would like to make. then we will answer them. di

alonso: no. ms. lamms. leigh: yes.

alonso? >> i second that thought, yes. chairman mcdonnell: ok. that's it. for both the reasons that mrs. melara indicated, which is we made decisions with forethought in mind and with all considerations and the unfortunate reality as we have discussed throughout almost every one of our meetings is that no matter what decision we make, someone will disagree, and they will present a compelling case for changing it. unless we want to meet past april 14, i would suggest that unless there is a compelling case, a new compelling case with new information, then i would not be in favor of making these changes, to shift decisions we just made. it would be different if we hadn't just made these decisions with full task force deliberation. on 6-3, we will not do that. ms. tidwell, let's go to the st. luke. >> i need an upgrade. chairman mcdonnell: by that clock, we will take a break for ms. tidwell, and we will res chairman mcdonnell: we will resume now our mapping discussion. ms. tidwell, are you prepar

alonso: but in the end, we pretty much brought the best out of the city as we could. thank you. >> i vote in support of the map. i also really want to thank everybody for working together on this, and it has been a pleasure to work with everybody. i personally feel like i learned a great deal about the city, which is what i will take the most value from a personal level forever, really. i want to thank, in that regard, the staff, the consultants, the district attorneys that have worked with us. they have been a tremendous resource to us. i also think everybody in the community. i am amazed summon people have spent so much time, whether in our meetings or submitting it public comment or facebook, or what have you, it has been a very rich and critical source of information for all of us. i admire the dedication of everyone who has committed the time. ms. melara: i also want to thank everyone who supported us in this process, and all disagreements and agreements that we had, it was a lot of fun. the long nights or not a lot of fun, but i want to say yes outo the map. in

alonso? >> no. >> please make the change. chairman district eight at 3.98 and district nine 4.94. >> can i ask about that other block as anoff set. chairman mcdonnell: no, not at this time. why are you trying tooff set? >> i didn't want to add more population to eight. chairman mcdonnell: is there a sentiment around trying tooff set this. >> i was not interested in offer setting. currently before this move, district nine was at 4.98. he would certainly pelfrey to stay away from 5% to the extent we can. >> and i am actually good with going to 5% in nine. chairman mcdonnell: thank you, but we are not going to do that at this time. we can add it to the bottom of our list of propose always. i didn't hear a proposal, so i am going to presume for purposes of moving forward that there is not a proposal with respect to the tingley-kayuga? >> i think we voted against it. chairman mcdonnell: no, what we voted against was the rotation. ok. so let's go then to to the sunny side and the conservatory . >>

alonso: are we in agreement that we know where it exists? mr. mcdonnell: i believe so. mr. alonso: and i'm pretty sure it does not matter. mr. mcdonnell: mr. pilpel has proposed it. mr. pilpel: i would probably be ok with it as is. mr. mcdonnell: any objection to the insertion? ok. that includes district 6. only five more to go. >> this is long. mr. mcdonnell: district 7. so -- ms. tidwell: this gets to the consultants point that i listed out all of the neighborhoods and they just included them as listed in the [mumbling] boundaries. mr. mcdonnell: i am not sure what your point was. ms. tidwell: just explaining the difference. mr. mcdonnell: thank you. beginning with the consultants. let's go the other way around. any deletions? jamie? are there any of these that we should not list? >> i do not believe so. i think this is a great list. mr. mcdonnell: you think this is a great list? all in favor? all: aye. >> if they have submitted their boundaries, also a list of neighborhoods that are included in the central council, then i think this is representative of those neighborhoo

alonso. any final population tweaks ? commissioner alonso: no. commissioner leigh: no. commissioner melara: no. commissioner mondejar: no more. commissioner pilpel: i tried and tried and tried. >> did we want to hear about this? you said you would fight until the end. thank you, that was helpful. commissioner schreiber: we are good with where we are right now. >> with respect for deviation? >> and it may be helpful that that will not be kept under 5. >>

commissioner alonso: yes. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change. ok. >> can i ask , are we taking the question of the conservatory of the -- off the table? it would be tough to do given what we just did but to have the sunnyside conservatory remain in district 8? that was one of the public speakers, the point of view she raised. on monday night we moved that line to baden, taking the conservatory from 8 where it is now out in the world and we moved it to seven. ok. based on the map, it would be non-contiguous a that would not be possible. i am puzzled by the fact that was what i thought motivated our interest in having the conversation and now as results -- as a result of the move we just made, we precluded the possibility of having that conversation. >> i do not think we have precluded any conversation. what i interpreted from the public comment is there was some concern that came up today or recently about the conservatory. the question was, where was it? some issue landed on the supervisor's desk because that is the supervisor who has that area

member alonso: i will see you back here in 2022. chair mcdonnell: 4 lessons learned on recommendation, what we have agreed to do is move forward with each member representing his or her points of view around the lessons learned and recommendations. the section will be subtitled. individual lessons learned and recommendations. they will not be edited other than grammatical. >> even then, they can do their thing. there are some things that we agree on. whether we want to include those, especially around outreach. there were two things. whether we want to recommend that departments provide data and information to the task force and whether additional time and resources are needed for a plan to do -- to be developed because when they came on, we did not have enough money and then we did not have enough time hiring of consultants we needed. chair mcdonnell: one is around data from city departments. member tidwell: my suggestion would be to the extent there are recommendations, we can do that on saturday. combine those to what the general

alonso? >> yes. >> mr. leigh? [reading names] >> i will say yes, but there is a population here, just because there is population there. to get it on record. >> get it on the record that there is population. [reading names] please make this change. and if i can make this so it is a sweeping curve? >> that is a population of six people. the mine is on bayshore. >> take that line out. >> that adds 20 people. >> really? well, if that really is east, if that really would put a mine at bayshore to the folks that there are folks on eastside of bay shore, they really ought to be there. >> that is one point of view. >> ok. >> would you like to hear the deviation? >> yes, please. >> both of these have a population of 26. the district 10 deviation would be -0.87%, and the deviation for district 9 would be 4.81%. >> thank you. ms. mondejar? just for the record, there are people there. we were supposed to do no population. >> i actually agree. i think we are doing a lot of things that we were not going t

alonso is that still your proposal? >> still my proposal. chairman mcdonnell: thank you so much. mr. leigh? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mrs. melara? >> no. mrs. lam? >> yes. mrs. mondejar? >> no. >> mr. philip, >> no. >> mr. schreiber? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. so we will not make this challenge. mr. leigh? >> can i just make a point of information or add a point of information? the population of the north panhandle that i believe we were looking at in an effort to explore restoring was 2,855. chairman mcdonnell: that is correct. >> i believe that i cludes the three blocks in the northwest corner of that section that are currently in district one in the current lines, and i believe that the population -- i wrote down 361 or something in an earlier meeting. if we were to imagine those blocks remaining in district one, that would make the gap a bit smaller. chairman mcdonnell: ok. let's look at this. >> sorry, could you clarify that? >> in that same area, you see the stair steps just east of golden gate park? >> correct. >> if we could look at those three blocks. this is