and so, that little park was dedicated to alonzo horton. the fellow i was telling you about. >> so slowly but surely, the area of town just started building up. what year did that start taking shape? >> i'd say in the early 1970s. no, that would have been a period when you couldn't, i think in the 1970s, i don't think you would want to come down here very much. but, you know, as we got more into the 1990s, as we saw adopt of that shopping -- development of that shopping center, a sense that this could be a very trendy area, and now it really is. i mean, you come down here on a friday night or a saturday and it is just jammed with millennials and everybody having a party and having a good time. so we're kind of going through gas lamp here. you might notice that these streets are kind of, the blocks are short. did you notice that? >> yeah, i am noticing that. >> well, alonzo horton, the guy i was telling you about, he was a smart guy. and he knew when he laid out whole area and started selling it for development that he could get more money f

ken: well, alonzo horton was a smart guy and he knew when he laid out this whole area and started selling it for development he could get more money for the corner lots. been talking a lot about san diego, its proximity to the water. where can we go next to see the water? ken: i think a place to see water from a higher perspective would be to go to the cabrillo national monument. they're kind of moving. if you're up for that -- yeah, let's do that. ken: we are coming up along harbor drive. there are a lot of exhibits from the museum. and coming up on this sailing ship, this is the oldest sailing ship -- certainly iron hold this operated- between san francisco and there was the earthquake in san francisco, ferrying people back and forth. people could go out into san diego bay and have a great time, have dinner cruises, things like that. people are aware -- if you are a server, you know what the surf conditions are. there's good form, there is whatever it is. surfing is a big part. water condition, water temperature, and how turbulent is the water, what is it going to look like? things like

alonzo horton, he was a smart guy. and he knew when he laid out this whole area and started selling it for development that he could get more money for a corner lot and one in the middle of the street. a lot more corners, a lot more money we've been talking about san diego's proximity to the water, i think we need to see water. where can we go to see that? >> a place to see water from a little bit higher perspective would be to go out to the cabrillo national monument. there's some really poignant things you see along the way that are moving so let's do it. where coming up now along harbor drive and this is an area where there is a lot of exhibits from the maritime museum and we are coming up here on this sailing ship here. this is the star of india, it's the oldest sailing ship, certainly iron whole sailing ship afloat. to its right is the ferry boat berkeley which operated between san francisco and berkeley and after the earthquake in san francisco, it ferried people back and forth. boats or charter party boats or th