well, the vast majority of the alpa pilots disagreed with that. and that result the in the formation of a group called the airline pilots security alliance, apsa, but a captain named bob guidea. eventually my good friend captain tracy praise became president of that organization and grew it to well over 50,000 members about half of which were pilots but the rest were just cooks and bottle washers from all over america who thought their pilots ought to be armed. at the same time, senator bob smith from new hampshire with young brian darling working for him introduced legislation to arm america's airline pilots. that all resulted in the transportation security act of 2001 signed into law november 19th, 2001, and that's the act that created the transportation security administration. here's what it said. the pilot of a passenger aircraft operated by an air carrier in air transportation or interstate transportation is authorized to carry a firearm into the cockpit if the undersecretary meaning the tsa approves, if the airline approves, if the firearm

one apa did and one alpa did. between 80% and 85% of the pilots surveyed said they thought pilots should be armed. at the time of 9/11, we flew over 30,000 flights per day. we had a little over 100,000 commercial airline pilots. if you take that 80% number, for example, we expected that 80,000 pilots thought that pilots should be armed and something north of 50,000 or 60,000 pilots would probably actually volunteer to be armed. we don't have that many. we have a significant number, but not enough for the deterrent value we tried to create with this program. >> i'm from senator barbara boxer's office. my question, you mentioned that the air carriers expressed early opposition and concern. i was hoping you could speak to their current position on the issue and whether or not it's changed? >> i'll have to defer the current position to my colleagues who are still flying actively. i'll tell you that at the time one of their major concerns, if you owned an airline and you wanted people toe come fly with you, would you d

the vast majority of alpa pilots disagree. apsa was derived from that.ek to well over 55,000 members, about half of which were pilots, but the rest were just cooks and bottle washers from all over america who thought pilots ought to be armed. at the same time, senator bob smith from new hampshire with young brian darling working for him introduce legislation to armed america's airline pilots. that all resulted in the transportation security act transportation security act 2001

the vast majority of alpa pilots disagree. apsa was derived from that.o well over 55,000 members, about half of which were pilots, but the rest were just cooks and bottle washers from all over america who thought pilots ought to be armed. at the same time, senator bob smith from new hampshire with young brian darling working for him introduce legislation to armed america's airline pilots. that all resulted in the transportation security act 2001 signed into law november 19, 2001 and that is the act that created the transportation security administration. here is what it said. the pilot of a passenger aircraft operated by an air carrier in air transportation or interstates air transportation is authorized to carry a firearm into the cockpit if the undersecretary, meaning the tsa, approves, if the airline approves, if the firearm is approved by the tsa, and if the pilot received proper training for use of the firearm. well, we went to work. several meetings with the tsa and several letters to secretary of transportation fell on deaf ears. they did not want

the vast majority of alpa pilots disagree. apsa was derived from that. my friend creek to well over 55,000 members, about half of which were pilots, but the rest were just cooks and bottle washers from all over america who thought pilots ought to be armed. at the same time, senator bob smith from new hampshire with young brian darling working for him introduce legislation to armed america's airline pilots. that all resulted in the transportation security act 2001 signed into law november 19, 2001 and that is the act that created the transportation security administration. here is what it said. the pilot of a passenger aircraft operated by an air carrier in air transportation or interstates air transportation is authorized to carry a firearm into the cockpit if the undersecretary, meaning the tsa, approves, if the airline approves, if the firearm is approved by the tsa, and if the pilot received proper training for use of the firearm. well, we went to work. several meetings with the tsa and several letters to secretary of transportation fell on deaf ears.