lagusk was gathered near the building of the former ravencomat, including me and my husband alperin nikolai borisovich my three children were brought to the building . about 1,000 people of the jewish population were gathered near the building. we were taken away from all of us passports. after that, the jews were taken to the ivanovshchina to the place of extermination. the people were divided into groups. in the first, there were women with babies and teenagers; in the second, women of middle age and older; in the third , men and those people who could not walk on their own, sick old people, they were brought up in carts. moreover, my mother said that they, uh, they were led there by a handful of machine gunners. and my great-grandmother was driving a tank in front. she wanted to, she says oh, she says where they are being taken, where they are being taken, they are probably being driven somewhere. gotta talk collect something. and that means faster. yes , it means what to collect and to well give people there, it means to eat. ah, this one, the german or the policemen, he applies. that's how pushed