hospital she's also an emergency and critical care physician and from the greek capital athens alric rocha is human a professor of european studies at stanford university in berlin welcome all to the program now let me begin with any sparrow 1st in geneva any i'm fed up of learning mosque fed up of not seeing my family i'm fed up of not being able to get on a plane and go somewhere i'm just fed up of this whole thing i'm fed up of the tests who much trying to blame here am i trying to blame the governments for their lack of handling the w.h. sofa bad advice where is the blame here is anyone organization to blame. or don't we wish in that part of the problem isn't it that we spend more time planing and obsessing and you're not just politicizing growing a bad toilet pathologist in the science even so that even when we do have the evidence we it's to politicize we got really care anymore and in the u.s. for example science is simply a proxy for political problem and it's becoming evidence resigned and that's one of the issues that we've lost faith in the c.d.c. which is also been dominated by