althea gibson was the first person of color to win anything. people of color were not even allowed to play in tournament. that was not long ago. i was very fortunate to seek out the gibson in person in los angeles and got to watch her prey that change -- i was fortunate to seek out the gibson dick'sto see althea gibson. it is important to see each person and where they come from. we just had a reunion of the original nine. we started women's professional tennis. that is not about wanted it. i wanted the men and women to be together, but they rejected it. so we went to plan b period we signed a contract in houston texas in 1970, and that was the birth of women's professional tennis, the way we know it today. do i expect maria sharapova are venus and serena williams to understand that? we can tell them, and their sensitivities are good, but they did not live it. just like i am not living with the pressures they deal with. they are very different. look at the money-management they need to do. [laughter] i am not very high maintenance, so i just gi

althea gibson, obviously, i've told you about her. obviously, my mother and my father were a huge influence. they're a good team. they're good to each other. they loved each other. my dad's passed away, he passed away six years ago. they helped each other. they weren't afraid to cross the so-called female/male domains. like my dad would say, you know, betty, put your feet up, i'll cook tonight. oh, my god, you know? or she -- you know, whatever. they would help each other. my mother would usually defer to my father, they're that generation, but they were good to each other, they were kind to each other. not to say they didn't get into it, no one's perfect. but i think my brother and i saw that. they loved to dance too. aren't you a clogger? [laughter] yeah, you are a clogger and a dancer. so my parents love to swing dance, and i know you're a good swing dancer. so i think it's really important to have a sense of teamwork. and what was the question again? i'm forgetting. [laughter] >> influences growing up. >> oh. as far as males, reve

>> either. >> althea gibson. i told you about her. obviously my mother and my father are a huge influence. they were a good team. they loved each other. my dad passed away. he passed away six years ago. they helped each other. they weren't afraid to cross the so-called female-male domain. my dad would say, betty, put your feet up. i'll cook tonight. whatever. they would help each other. my mother would usually defer to my father. that generation. they were good teemp. they were kind to each other. didn't get into it. no one's perfect. but i think my brother and i saw that. they loved to dance. aren't you a clogger? yeah, you are a clogger and dancer. my parents loved to swing dance. i know you are a swing dancer. i think it's really important to have a sense of teamwork. what was the question again? forgetting. as far as male, referenced bob richards. i went to the first church of the brotheren. he was a gold medalist pole volter in two olympics and he was a minister of our church. every sunday he got sports in every sermon. don't you

it talks about people including althea gibson who is a tennis star that when all the way to wimbledonthere is no record of her or family in the census. it looks at the 1940 records. more than a million black people were not counted in the 1940's. that have ramifications on the political map and the distribution of resources. do think african-americans are undercounted? guest: i do think african- americans are undercounted. i grew up in detroit and we had a bout with the government about the count of people. huge resources are dependent upon that. i would challenge the call on one thing. when you leave the east coast of the united states, you can drive for miles from state to state and not see another black face. call to montana, utah, parts of oregon and washington -- there are lots of african americans in this country but there are parts where there are none. on the broader issue, that is certainly true. the president has done a lot for not just african americans but for everyone in the country. the health-care bill, the stimulus package. we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. the shif