i sat down with sam altman.tweeted, "i am more scared of unit economics than burn rates." >> companies lose money before making money. that happened at facebook and google. that is ok. i worry about companies that are losing money and have no plan to make money. these super-low-margin businesses that operate like they are high-margin, that is a problem. so, if you have the operating culture of facebook, but the margins of amazon, that is a problem. emily: what are your plans? >> to make a lot of money. this is like a lightbulb for people. sometimes, it takes 20 years and, eventually, it happens. it is ok to lose a lot of money up front and you can invest in growth. you have to have a plan to make lots of cash. emily: this is the economic demand of shifts. why are so many investors getting in to on demand set ups? >> uber has burned more capital than any other startup ever. i do not think uber is immune to this. i think they will be a hundred alien dollar -- hundred billion dollar -- $100 billion plus company. em

you will not want to miss my interview with sam altman. that is ahead on bloomberg west.he guest of lede, honor on the coast, the chinese president. there are serious tensions between the united states and china on the economy and cyber security. there was a major winner, boen ing. joining us now, what can you tell us? >> good to speak with you. right now, i am at the plane manufacturer north of seattle. interesting, looking behind me, every single 747 comes out right through those hangers. as for the deal between the united states and china and with boeing, that have green nlighted $30 billion. aijing has also greenlighted finishing center and it is the first that they will have in the country. us has one. this is a big coup for boeing. emily: cyber security is an elephant in the room. we learned about the cyber security hacks and the record stolen and the experts say it is not just chinese hackers. it is the chinese government that is behind this. have to president xi say about cyber security? down, he and, hands says that china does not hack. backsay that china compani

you will not want to miss my interview with sam altman. i caught up with him today at tech crunch.e discussed the favorite tactics being used by unicorns. , the guest oflead honor on the west coast, chinese president xi jinping. he made the rounds among the business elite in seattle. they were serious tensions among the u.s. and china with cyber security, but out of today came one winner, that is going -- boeing. we are joined with details. right now i am at boeing's biggest play manufacturing center in the world, half an hour north of seattle. looking behind me, every single 747 comes out of the world comes out right to those hangers, as for the deal between the u.s. and china and for boeing, basically, beijing has greenlighted the purchase of 300 planes from boeing that will go over to china. the total worth, $38 million. not only that, beijing has also greenlighted a new 737 finishing center for planes in the country. this is the first time the boeing will have a center in the country. airbus has one there, but it is a big coo for boeing. emily girl cyber security is an elephant

. >> and also the rock star millionaire listings josh altman is with us to take a a peek inside of some fabulous homes. >> lookie lou. >> and amanda frytag is here with some lusty chicken. >> and we have lou manfredini! >> and everyday is a funday, and so today is national coffee day and that means that lots off places are giving away coffee for free. lots of places for the free coffee. dunkin' donuts. >> and wawa. i never heard of them. >> and krispy kreme. >> and for the complete list is at klgandhoda.com. >> can you see these? this is michael breach who has made us a beautiful coffee today and why would we ruin the art? >> let's not slurp these things. >> he has done a dinosaur from jurassic park. a cat and dog. >> oh, my gosh. look at that. >> the sidney opera house. >> who does that! >> michael. michael. >> yeah, right here. yes. >> where do you draw the inspiration from? >> well, i get a lot of the inspiration from puns and things like that, and just, you know, doing stuff that is out of the ordinary with coffee, and it is the sofrt thing that makes me excite and everyone else exc

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check out the traffic situation, robert altman in the traffic center. this is a great picture here. robert: it is. seeing what is going on we have the intermittent traffic here and there. some bad, some better than or worse than others throughout the region. let's talk about this heading to the area on the prince william parkway. heavy traffic mostly on southbound 95 making your way through the occoquan. on and off all the way through fredericksburg. once you get below dumfries there is stop and go on the southbound side. outbound on and off through centreville, most of the heavy traffic on the westbound side. heading up here route 50 in fairfax area. beltway, the stop and go. dulles toll road all the way through colesville road. earlier issue at 270. long gone. continuing through the beltway and prince george's county. heavy through college park. up through another 50 over the severn river to the shopping center. right before st. margaret's road. the accident is blocking the left lane. two left lanes in the westbound side. with an overturned s.u.v. big delays leaving annapolis to s

. >> yes, sharing the secrets to his success we're catching up with star josh altman. >> and he's back for a new season of family drama, politics, and amazing guest stars on madame secretary. tim daley joins us live. hi tim. >> hi. >> hi. >> excited about talking to him very soon. >>> all right. before we get over to tim, let's talk about this. judge judy is known for a quick wit, but now the tv judge is also being noticed for her extremely quick judgment skills. >> yeah. okay so in a clip that's been lighting up social media today, judge judy is overseeing a case where two men are accused of stealing a woman's pocketbook, and in a twist to a good script, it's the defendant's own very brief testimony that gets them in trouble. take a look. >> like what, give me what was stole kpn. >> my wallet. >> what was in your wallet? >> 50 bucks. >> okay. >> i had to replace all my ids. i had gift cards in there, my ear piece, and calculator. >> there was no ear piece in there, ma'am. >> judgment for the plaintiff for the amount of $500. that's what i think it's worth, madame. good-bye. >> i don't

we'll talk to roger altman's about the government's chances.ures are up triple digits, s&p is up and nasdaq is up close to 40. proud of you, son. ge! a manufacturer. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines. but i'll be writing the code that will allow those machines to share information with each other. i'll be changing the way the world works. (interrupting) you can't pick it up, can you? go ahead. he can't lift the hammer. it's okay though! you're going to change the world. ♪ ♪ sun is shining in the sky ♪ there ain't a cloud in the sky ♪ >>> welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. the government is facing its second shutdown in two years if congress fails to pass a stop gap funding measure by tend of september. at issue is a plan to defund planned parenthood. here's jamie dimon on the prospect of a government shutdown. >> you compromise with your family, friends, democracy is a compromise by nature. it's not a dictat

country must budweiser pays for the sign there is oreos when 53 dustin altman highlight of a week. younger brother of set curry talk about this puffin offset new contract in sacramento came out he was offered chance to play with the warriors this coming season he said no i don't want go back that golden state at he to go with sacramento kings 2 years 2 million given credit for that wouldn't want to be as much as you love your brother was one of the and the shuttle either somebody said it and leave the shuttle for a couple million dollars i could take sacramento for six months. news a >> pam: of graphics you now get ahead of the business by pope francis to the united states >> pam: the pope making a much anticipated and the visit to the united states today learned all set for social media explosion 50 >> grant: to copeemoji the visiting lincoln memorial also gifs and i have a cheesecake catholic network came up with the idea. trying to engage a younger audience application store and bernama found one mature and download it make sure even download it. >> pam: will tell you per-share

patrick altman, cnn, havana. >> now to another story we're traing for you.ay to discuss a possible deal of resetting thousands of refugees. the number of people flocking to the region is stagger pentagon croatia said almost 30,000 migrants crossed into that country so far. a small portion of the almost half million estimated to have entered europe this year. hungary's parliament gave military permission on monday to use nonlethal force to control the migrants who are trying to cross to austria. senior international correspondent ben wedeman is on the hungarian/austrian border. >> reporter: basically throughout the day trains come and deposit them just about four kilometers here on the hungarian side. they walk and then they're met by hungarian aide workers and others who give them food before they actually enter austria. usually they stay here for a few hours. sometimes overnight. they're bused to points further inside the country. now, here, for instance, the us a industryian army soldiers are just trying to keep the place organized. herding the refugees an

. >>> josh altman is his name, and real estate is his game. >> and he is one of the bravo's shows called "listing los angeles" and known for oozing confidence. >> and some say -- >> and back-talking style. >> and he says it is your move, my million dollar method for taking risks, and seizing confidence. >> and what about today, is to dai today the day? >> today is the day. >> and it is the show. >> all right. and so we like the first tip, and it has to do with someone that you met in the gym, and it is ready, fire, aim. >> and real quick, i want to talk about who i wrote the book for. three types of people. the person on the couch watching this who needs the extra motivation and not sure about the next step in the career is, and then you the person looking for the financial freemo n ta care of their family, and nen the person nd nd then the person who has been passed over for promotions and stalled a little i b. i bit. i wrote you this book. >> ready, fire, aim. >> and here is an example, i sold tyler perry's house, and how it went down, i was at the gym and running next to tyler perry a

medical examiner says he died of multiple blunt force injury including abrasion contusion laceration altman's lead bleed to death internally being held on suspicion of misdemeanor theft drug possession fascicle prison cell awaiting inmates in protective custody or special needs. >> pam:one student is dead. and two others injured. from a shooting at sacramento city college today. police say, the campus was placed on lockdown this evening. while they searched for the suspect. fire broke out near a baseball field on campus. all three victims were men. the two survivors were taken to a nearby hospital. by tomorrow, we may know whether the man suspected in the shooting death of kate steinle at pier- 14. will face trial. and if so. on what charge. today was the final day of testimony in the preliminary hearing for francisco lopez - sanchez. today, a woman testified she was in the hotel across the street, when she heard the gunshot. and snapped a picture of the man she later identified as sanchez. he had admitted to the shooting, but says it was an accident. >> pam:happening now. 49-ers fans fired u

all the way inland by known a depart so many have been in the 63 going on along the coast off 76 altmanor inland locations by 3:00 p.m. while the coast panes about 62 the temperature contrasts to have this morning you concede some 10 degrees in some spots below and work 24 hours ago the warmer will be filled in this is our goal 794 today at 88 for inland and the looks like a to tomorrow and then by monday should be about sunny weather and about 94 will have more the seventh forecast coming up a live look at the traffic. >>george: when we were setting for this report we noticed i had a schedule there were so slow traffic was down on interstate 580 leading into the dublin interchange and investigating for the discovery in accident on the shoulder westbound at foothill san ramon boulevard was is just past the 58680 split. >>george: looking of the san the silver is a sure seems especially on the not commit siren. >>darya: brick kennels will cover one person is dead and two injured after a shooting at sacramento city college the government and still lose this morning. >>reporter: the search

we go to robert altman who is on traffic watch. how does it look on friday evening? robert: we looked at a light pace considering for a friday. then this incident happened. the inner loop beyond 295. it was blocking two left lanes. all lanes open as you can see but the delays are jammed up solid from 95. before that not bad out of new hampshire avenue. we are from the toll road to area of silver spring. here is a look moving in through college park high above moving along the beltway. now northbound 95, your jam-up continues from 198 through howard county. outbound 66 at vass from the beltway on and off moving to route 50 in fairfax. 95. most of the heavy stuff from the occoquan river to fredericksburg and eastbound 50 from97 over the severn river bridge. we are plagued with an accident early on rush hour but it's now gone. delays continue to leave annapolis 97 slow out of 32. kimberly, scott, back to you. kimberly: all right, robert. thank you. new tonight at 6:00 -- the fight against isil. response to a report that claims the government is changing military reports

robert altman the traffic. on 270 big accident having up towards -- north of montgomery village. accident blocking to left wings. pretty significant delays as you see the big jim heading into the northbound commute. expect big delays. around the beltway, most of the heavy stuff moving up through connecticut avenue and 95 is not too bad through college park. also on southbound 95. allison, leon, back to you. alison: thank you very much. get those wineglasses ready. "scandal" is back in a few hours and we will have your scoop coming up next. pope francis has some words for the real lawmakers and capitol hill today. >> you have responsibilities as enable of congress is to --s country we are representatives. ♪ ♪ centrum brings us the biggest news... in multivitamin history. a moment when something so familiar... becomes something so...new. introducing new centrum vitamints. a multivitamin that contains a full spectrum of essential nutrients... you enjoy like a mint. new centrum vitamints. the coolest way yet... back.: tgit is gladiators he did it ready for more of "scandal" twists an

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her relationship with, you know, i'm more concerned about her relationship with people like roger altmanhat they raised money from, the clinton global initiatives that we talk about so -- we don't really talk about it seriously, are all about shaking down campaign donors. it's not about doing non-profit work. >> i mean, i -- i got to take issue with that. raising money for good causes. >> it's 11:00. if you will stay here at the table we're going to finish this conversation online another few minutes but right now it's got to be the end of this show. thanks for being on the show. we're going to continue the conversation. before we go, programs note. hope francis arrives in washington tomorrow. msnbc special coverage of pope francis in america will be led tomorrow by brian williams beginning tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. >>> chris hayes is up next. i hope we can have a responsible i hope we can have a responsible discussion and the he dropped out of the race all together. this is the candidate who mocked donald trump as someone unprepared to be president. to use his word, an apprentice.

i'm here with cnn's patrick altman and ed lavandera.a couple of seconds they are going to land. he might have been circling around before. >> exactly, getting a look of his first time in cuba. president rual castro is waiting on the ground, then he's going to get on the pope mobile, there will be lots of people waiting to hear him. >> we hear the crowd celebrating and there have been people assembled there to welcome the pope. you hear them? >> they are chanting. they are chanting. cuba is welcoming pope francis. >> as we listen, tell us if you can hear what they are saying. >> the music, just people yelling. pure joy. >> they are welcoming pope francis. now that he's here in cuba, first papal visit in 17 years, the significance on different levels, how do you see it? >> the pope played a key role in the resumption of u.s.-cuban relations. and he's taking a victory lap, he'll be asking for some things and asking in spanish. first pope who's a native spanish speaker. that's going to have a big impact. >> very familiar with cuba. rivera s

david altman at the university of michigan law school wrote that federal prosecutor in the unit at the justice department writing about criminally prosecuting environmental crimes. you have to citizen reporters talking about american and justice come and justice in the age of the wealth gap. an upcoming book about corporate crime focusing on the failure of prosecutors. why no prosecution of the executives and and there are citizen activists many of them in this room for the citizen activism against corporate crime and violence who are joining with the academics and supporters and you q. are starting to see the movement that we saw 20 years ago. in this movement you are seeing the rise that traditionally if you think law and order you think conservative republican. they are more comfortable prosecuting anyone and that's why giuliani was prosecuting the corporate crime because it was criminal prosecution first. liberals say i don't know if i want to prosecute here. now you see this sort of morphed entity law and order liberals and they would agree with president obama as you know the fir

morning not every member is going to be there and that is interesting in and of itself, and our patrick altmannd patrick oppmann, he is going to be the first latin american pope to visit there, and i imagine that the excitement is extraordinary. >> yes, i am blessed to have covered all three, and we are see the tourists taking pictures of the altar behind me, and the pope's trip throughout cuba and the united states, and we expect to see hundreds of thousands off people at the mass and thousands more, and the first spani spanish-speaking pope and a connection with the latin people that no other pope has had and he was involved in the secret negotiations with the u.s./cuba negotiations, and when he reaches the opposite end of the island, he is going to be flying to the united states which is the first to do that, and so we expect him to talk about the pushing forward of the dialogue of the reconciliation, and the slogan behind me means missionary of mercy, and that is what the pope says he is coming to cuba to do. >> and the first stop in cuba, and patrick, thank you very much, and let's bring

we will speak to stand on -- stan -- sam altman.rn is no longer heading up the trouble the german car company. his removal may be the start of a fundamental makeover, but are real issues. indy company's complex corporate structure? here with details is brendan greeley. how is this different from what we usually see in the u.s.? brendan they have two boards, the management board, which is the c3, and on top of that, the supervisory board, capital and labor. that is the normal german structure. what is different about volkswagen is there is an extra bit of control for the unions. this is unique. the state where the main plants are located also has a 20% share in the company. they sit on the actual capital board but they also work with labor to move things their way. that is unique. mark: how unique? unique in the sense of europe? unique in the sense of the auto industry as a whole? brendan: unique for the auto industry, unique for europe. basically, they call this a golden chair. it is 20% but it is a controlling share because of a "e

altman, they root for the phillies and red sox, how do they make money? will they win?oo big to fail banks will disaggregate because they cannot keep businesses that do not make money, the whole industry is doing over 9% return on equity. vonnie: is it better if there are plenty of firms propping up to take that business? chris: i am in favor of a greater aggregation. i think it's better to have more participants. you can break up a jpmorgan, a bank of america into several pieces, the fed historically has not done that, they have gone the other way and you see the results, large banks do not make money. if you look at risk-adjusted returns they do not make money. brendan: dodd-frank, legislation pending that would reduce back-office cost of smaller banks associated with dodd-frank , what do you think of the alan greenspan played to wipe the whole thing clean, 20% equity, good luck, you are on your own. chris: it is like a flat tax, it has a certain appeal. you want to have skin in the game but the real issue is enforcing existing rules on fraud and disclosure. the key p

. >> it disappear you just hate the guts of that guy josh altman. oh, you do? >> amen. >> why? work within a one mile radius of each other and he's arrogant. >> well, they hate him. and he's our next guest. here to respond to that is real estate powerhouse himself, and the author of a brand-new book called "it's your move" josh altman along with his fiancee heather who we see on the tv show. >> hi. >> good morning. >> they hate you. >> thanks for showing that. that's really nice. and at least allowing me to counter that. >> do you hate them? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. listen, i respect anybody who's in the same business as me, as they said it is very cutthroat. we see each other a lot more than we want to. but when we're not filming we're definitely not hanging out. >> so you may -- they may not be crazy about you, but you are okay with them because it's the nature of the business. >> you're also not really considered competition for him. >> oh, listen to you. >> let's just be honest right now. >> the girlfriend. >> that's my girl. >> so they're not competition. but wha

everyone by noon 60 of the coast 64 inland but in the late afternoon temperatures scratch new 90 for altmanease >> marty: by the camera video officer involved shooting took place in oakland last month fleapit takes lavinia >> reporter: offices and for the martin luther keen wit severances chronicle updated id nats- "drop the gun." video from the other officers' cameras -- not as clear, and without audio. still, this is what it looked that day. after the deadly shooting, police chief sean whent saying wilkes was found with a loaded handgun. the incident started earlier that day in east oakland, when police say wilkes failed to stop for officers, who attempted to pull wilks over, driving in a car wanted in connection with a past armed robbery. when the videos were shared with the media last month, kron four was invited and saw wilkes stop and turn towards officers with his gun in hand -- just prior to the shooting. a week after the incident, chief whent said why he decided to share the videos. sot- "some of the misinformation said that he was shot in the back or was down on the ground at the

but as our patrick altman explains, this one is special for many reasons. >> reporter: we are in havana'se, and this is going to be one of the places pope francis visits on his first stop to cuba and the united states. as you can see, let's walk over here towards the cathedral. they're getting everything ready at a furious pace. still lots of work be being done here. streets being fixed up. builds being painted. they're still repairing a lot of the facade of this centuries-old cathedral. why is this so important for cuba? several reasons. this is the first pope from this hemisphere, first latin-american pope, first pope, even though two others have come here previously, who will be able to address cubans in native spanish. this is a pope who played a key role in improving relations between the united states and cuba, urging presidents barack obama and raul castro to make the deal that really ended 50 years of cold war animosity. so this will be his first opportunity to come to cuba following this landmark deal. he says he wants to meet regular cubans, reach out to them, talk to them. and

>>george: you can use to welling as altman ramp instead of 238 and that will get either ron to sophistries back door of the 230 and then to 584 castro valley would also point out that the chp ever since they closed this rabin issued a special revisory seven big breaks can use interstate 580 today. >>james: if you're hoping to head to the beach in using art to do it from the east bay is not going to happen. >>will tran: you can get a round by using the bus in downtown oakland it will not start until at a clock in the morning the service is on holiday schedule as well you will not see the train running as frequently as you normally do it is quiet and that now we do expect a lot of people to show up not as busy probably today because this being labor day a lot of people will be staying home to show you some of the video of the we got over the weekend thousand people turned to the bus bridge i was angry over the weekend and we tell you traffic on the bay bridge was not as bad as anticipated of this being the second time so many people been total they knew how to behave there are those who stil

change with an accident was 58680 have created a nearly 50 minute drive times square trip to the altmanthe dublin interchange the reader unless activated at the bay bridge the drive time finally starting to react as the growth of it for the macarthur maze tracking 18 minute time into downtown san francisco will have more will morning news' returns stay with us. sure, tv has evolved over the years. it's gotten squarer. brighter. bigger. it's gotten thinner. even curvier. but what's next? for all binge watchers. movie geeks. sports freaks. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. >>mark: the mass of valley fire wanted an update from david johnson cow fire. >>mark: the destruction the middletown is just incredible is there water to help you with the firefighting effort? >>: the water has a compromise on some levels but the utility crews out here working to try and get both power and water restored as quickly as possible are hard lose out to the residents who are waiting in evacuation shelters and with other relatives waiting to hear news on what their situation is of course w

as late as noon 77 for those unbalanced finally start to see the in and read it to lower '80s from altman-still the bay and a modest 71 for that high. >>reporter: was a breakdown downtown san francisco 67 by noon 68 by 2:00 p.m. for payment 67 you couple this with a little stock was one in five to 16 will have complete details of the seven forecast coming up. >>mark: will continue the coverage of the pope to visit in the first bid will welcome a when he arrived in washington d.c. this afternoon to mar the pope will visit the white house and he will be in washington through thursday and he would even suggest congress appear arise in new york thursday night and will be there friday evening while in your queue attend united nations general assembly is the most religious service after the night in livermore and museum of portrays a sign of this philadelphia saturday and sunday come upon a 6:00 hour will check in with a loss for the d.c. to get a close look at the plans what he is an american. >>darya: public officials in santa clara will be meeting tonight to wasn't able scott all policy is a plan

altman. and chuck haight made the decisions. mrs. truman and the president refused to make decisions on wallpaper and things like that, because they said it was not their house. it was for the future. and so mr. haight and the staff made most of those decisions. and it was done cheaply. i mean, they've beat everybody down. scalamandre, franco scalamandre gave fabrics for $3.50 a yard, which, you know, are hundreds of dollars a yard. so -- for the prestige. susan swain: so sheldon cooper asks on twitter, how much influence did bess have in the rebuilding of the white house? the answer is, as much as she wanted, which -- william seale: as much as she wanted, but they both felt that they weren't going to live there long and that it was something more important. susan swain: neesin is in visalia, california. what's your question for us? neesin: visalia, but i have two questions. one, since the world series is on, was she a sports fan, like, did she root for the cardinals? and, number two -- nicole anslover: kansas city royals all the way

we had roger altman. you know him, backing hillary, and he expects a shutdown.republicans predicting a shutdown? >> no republicans are predicting a shutdown, but republicans are saying if something does not happen they want to happen they will vote to shut down the government. you don't hear any democrats saying that. >> right. >> you do hear democrats saying that if we have an unreasonable bill that puts a poison pill in that republicans know is a poison pill, then, yes, there's going to be a problem, but if we pursue a reasonable, responsible, common sense resolution of the differences for the short term as we have had historically done, then, no, i don't think there's going to be a shutdown. >> leader, do you think our forefathers did intend to put the power of the purse available to congress in case one or the other party was trying to do something that was so apt to the other party that that's a tool you can use? there's issues with the democrats, think of a couple where you think a shutdown is the last resort, and you'd maybe go for it. >> joe, you keep ta