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northeast philadelphia, a serious head on accident closing welsh road between alburger avenue and alton street. bloomfield or red lion good alternates. >> authorities have not given official cause for the deadliest train wreck in america for almost 7 years but we're getting a clearer picture of the moments leading up to the crash. katherine scott is live at the scene in port richmond, good morning, katherine. >> reporter: good morning, tam we know the train was going twice the speed limit. the question now is why, you can see the police barricades are set up in the neighborhoods as the investigation continues. we're starting to learn more about the engineer. overnight crews worked at the site of tuesday night's amtrak crash that claimed the lives of 7 people and injured 200. sources have identified the engineer as 32-year-old brandon bostian of queens new york, the train was going 106 miles per hour that approached the curved that had a 50 miles per hour speed limit. the ntsb said the engineer applied the brakes moments before the crash and slowed the train to 102 miles per hour. the sp
northeast philadelphia, a serious head on accident closing welsh road between alburger avenue and alton street. bloomfield or red lion good alternates. >> authorities have not given official cause for the deadliest train wreck in america for almost 7 years but we're getting a clearer picture of the moments leading up to the crash. katherine scott is live at the scene in port richmond, good morning, katherine. >> reporter: good morning, tam we know the train was going twice the speed...
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. ♪ ♪ ♪ "alton, illi marÍa: un policÍa adelina y, es investigado por presunto abuso de autoridad.en las universidades, se han convertido en una enorme crisis. presentaron una nueva lÍnea de alineamientos. marÍa: esto tiene con los activos de acabar con este tipo de abusos. osvaldo: las reacciones antiguas era de culpar la vÍctima dijo la fiscal. la ola de asaltos de los centros universitarios de california, estÁ que el estado delineÓ un plan a seguir. >> california serÁ el primer estado que va a anunciar un memorÁndum de cooperaciÓn, pero eso serÁ de nivel estatal. queremos que todas las universidades, pÚblicas y privadas. osvaldo: la idea es que el mismo plan de la fiscal general detallen la unificaciÓn e informaciÓn, con el crimen reportado si se conoce informaciÓn de un agresor de un centro universitario. " esto le darÁ california ya sus vÍctimas, la confianza que necesita y cero tolerancia para los agresores, a partir de 1 de julio, universidades deben de tener un plan para brindar justicia a los que fueron presas". leÓn: el consejo de berkeley aprobÓ la primera medida del con
. ♪ ♪ ♪ "alton, illi marÍa: un policÍa adelina y, es investigado por presunto abuso de autoridad.en las universidades, se han convertido en una enorme crisis. presentaron una nueva lÍnea de alineamientos. marÍa: esto tiene con los activos de acabar con este tipo de abusos. osvaldo: las reacciones antiguas era de culpar la vÍctima dijo la fiscal. la ola de asaltos de los centros universitarios de california, estÁ que el estado delineÓ un plan a seguir. >> california serÁ...
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mike bost: my district goes up to alton almost st. louis, but not as far as grafton. it is 1.33 counties. host: how did you do it, from the standpoint of raising the money? who helped fund you? and what about beating him? rep. mike bost: we had jerry costello there for many years. jerry was a conservative democrat. he represented the area well. the concern that had come up was that this congress or bill enyart was not keeping in touch with the people. they had become used to jerry costello's style which was constantly in contact. they knew him. all over the district, and in a short period of time, i realized that was not occurring. i actually talked to a democrat state legislator who said, i do not know him, and he was in the district, and that is not what these jobs are about. they are about servant's positions, and i was able to look at that and then springboard on some of the other issues out there. of course, we also have a videotape that was from my experience on the floor as a floor leader that we did not know whether they would use it or not, but we had to tric
mike bost: my district goes up to alton almost st. louis, but not as far as grafton. it is 1.33 counties. host: how did you do it, from the standpoint of raising the money? who helped fund you? and what about beating him? rep. mike bost: we had jerry costello there for many years. jerry was a conservative democrat. he represented the area well. the concern that had come up was that this congress or bill enyart was not keeping in touch with the people. they had become used to jerry costello's...
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welsh road is shut down between alburger and alton road, stick to bloomfield we need to give the emergency workers time to do the investigation. a building fire north broad and susquehanna avenue. stick to the numbered streets to get around north broad and the restrictions we see here. lots of problems with mass transit. of course, amtrak not running no service between new york city and philadelphia. modified between new york city and boston. harass -- harrisburg and philadelphia. atlantic city rail line is shuttle busing, patco is honoring the ac rail tickets and amtrak. market frankford trying to help out all local service making every stop. >> the brutal effort to remove the amtrak cars from the crash site while officials look at the mann who was in control when the train hit the curve at high speed. katherine scott is live near the scene in port richmond. >> matt you can see police barricades in the neighborhood. crews have been on the scene throughout the night. chopper 6hd is live overnight take a look you can see the massive crane is hoisting a remaining rail car. federal investigat
welsh road is shut down between alburger and alton road, stick to bloomfield we need to give the emergency workers time to do the investigation. a building fire north broad and susquehanna avenue. stick to the numbered streets to get around north broad and the restrictions we see here. lots of problems with mass transit. of course, amtrak not running no service between new york city and philadelphia. modified between new york city and boston. harass -- harrisburg and philadelphia. atlantic city...
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a serious accident that is shutting down welsh road blocked between alburger avenue and alton road. you can see the demolished vehicles and get a sense of how serious the accident is. avoid the area in northeast philadelphia. stick to bloomfield or red lion road to deal with the closure in northeast philadelphia. now going ton to mass transit this is a big impact in the morning commute no amtrak service between philadelphia and new york city, everything there is canceled. elsewhere running on a modified schedule between washington, d.c. and philadelphia. new york city and boston and harrisburg and philadelphia. new jersey transit, if you get to trenton you can use your amtrak tickets trenton to new york city, they are honoring tickets there. new jersey transit rail ride is shuttle busing between 30th street and pennsauken. patco is honoring ac rail line tickets as well as amtrak to help you out with that. market frankford line another alternative. trenton line is canceled. west trenton line they have added extra cars. cherry hill west delays, airport line seeing 20 minute delays thi
a serious accident that is shutting down welsh road blocked between alburger avenue and alton road. you can see the demolished vehicles and get a sense of how serious the accident is. avoid the area in northeast philadelphia. stick to bloomfield or red lion road to deal with the closure in northeast philadelphia. now going ton to mass transit this is a big impact in the morning commute no amtrak service between philadelphia and new york city, everything there is canceled. elsewhere running on a...
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confirmed that police with the nass names -- last names we were given do in fact work for the much of alton police department. "the video will be included as part of the investigation that has been turned over to the internal affairs division." metropolitan police would not confirm to us if the officers had been reassigned pending the investigation. we contacted the department of behavioral health and community connection. neither was willing to offer us a statement. maureen: still ahead at 6:00 frightening moments at the white house as another drone tries to go over the fence. what we are learning what the man led away in handcuffs. plus, a little girl attacked in her own apartment building. what police are planning for tonight the key the area safe. doug: the weather is spectacular today. what are the chances we get hang up to this with a pattern over the weekend? will find out coming up. there are a lot of channels on your tv but only so many you want to watch what if you could pay for the types of channels you want and not the ones you don't w, fios brings you a totally new way to custo
confirmed that police with the nass names -- last names we were given do in fact work for the much of alton police department. "the video will be included as part of the investigation that has been turned over to the internal affairs division." metropolitan police would not confirm to us if the officers had been reassigned pending the investigation. we contacted the department of behavioral health and community connection. neither was willing to offer us a statement. maureen: still...
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mike bost: my district goes up to alton, almost st. louis, but not as far as grafton. it is 1.33 counties. host: how did you do it, from the standpoint of raising the money? who helped fund you? and what was the argument in beating him? rep. mike bost: we had jerry costello there for many years. jerry was a conservative democrat. he represented the area well. he was constantly in touch with people. the concern that had come up was that this congress or bill enyart was not keeping in touch with the people. they had become used to jerry costello's style, which was constantly in contact. they knew him. all over the district, and in a short period of time, i realized that was not occurring. i actually talked to a democrat state legislator who said, i do not know him, and he was in the district, and that is not what these jobs are about. they are about servant's positions, and i was able to look at that and then springboard on some of the other issues out there. of course, we also have a videotape that was from my experience on the floor as a floor leader that we did not kn
mike bost: my district goes up to alton, almost st. louis, but not as far as grafton. it is 1.33 counties. host: how did you do it, from the standpoint of raising the money? who helped fund you? and what was the argument in beating him? rep. mike bost: we had jerry costello there for many years. jerry was a conservative democrat. he represented the area well. he was constantly in touch with people. the concern that had come up was that this congress or bill enyart was not keeping in touch with...
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. >> alton road flooded again. no surprise at all.people consider this to be ground zero for a rising sea level and flooding in this town. they have spent millions of dollars addressing the flooding so far, but it's going to take a major infrastructure project to make it right for the future. >> there is no overnight fix, but we know what we're doing. we're moving forward. >> there's no bigger believer and no bigger cheerleader than the mayor. >> one of the most exciting cities in the world. everybody wants to come here. everybody is getting sand in their shoes, we call it. ♪ what we need to do is provide a stable safe dry community for generations to come. >> can you do it? >> absolutely 100%. we're well on our way. >> for two years, alton road one way northbound major construction, including installation of storm drainage infrastructure. >> tell us about the investments the city has made. $15 million over the last year and a half in pumps to alleviate some of the flooding problems you've had. >> that's just the beginning of the inve
. >> alton road flooded again. no surprise at all.people consider this to be ground zero for a rising sea level and flooding in this town. they have spent millions of dollars addressing the flooding so far, but it's going to take a major infrastructure project to make it right for the future. >> there is no overnight fix, but we know what we're doing. we're moving forward. >> there's no bigger believer and no bigger cheerleader than the mayor. >> one of the most exciting...
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. >> i wonder looking at the response to this texas shooting the shooter there, alton simpson, was on law enforcement's radar screen. they had him under monitoring. they'd even given his name as someone interested in this prophet muhammad cartoon event. and yet he was able to get through. thankfully responded to quickly by law enforcement on the scene. now the fbi is going back and taking another look over at everyone on that radar screen to see if they missed something else. i wonder as you look at this do you consider this an intelligence failure and are you confident that the fbi, law enforcement here have the resourced to track those perhaps hundreds maybe more in the u.s. who have sympathies with isis? >> well, one of the witnesses in our hearing called jihad 2.0 has been trying to assess, you know, how big of a following does isis have here in the u.s., and he estimated that the best probable guess, 46,000, maybe as high as 90,000 overt isis support accounts on twitter. twitter's starting to shut those things down. but consider maybe 90,000 people drawn to this barbaric ideology
. >> i wonder looking at the response to this texas shooting the shooter there, alton simpson, was on law enforcement's radar screen. they had him under monitoring. they'd even given his name as someone interested in this prophet muhammad cartoon event. and yet he was able to get through. thankfully responded to quickly by law enforcement on the scene. now the fbi is going back and taking another look over at everyone on that radar screen to see if they missed something else. i wonder as...
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vo blanca ---un policia de alton, illinois, esta en el ojo del huracn por video en eque se le ve rociando gas pimienta a 2 jovenes esposados en una celda transitoria. ---las imagenes llegaron de manera anonima al inspector de la polica quien orden una investigacin interna. ---el jefe de policia dijo que fue notificado en marzo, y es cuestionado por haberse pronunciado hasta ahora. vo cesar --un oficial de la policia de savanah, georgia, investigaba un robo en una gasolinera y al solicitar a un sospechoso que apagara su auto, este decidio huir arrastrando al agente por varios metros. --la camara de seguridad de una gasolinera capt el momento que el oficial es arrastrado por la pista de la gasolinera y ademas, la camara corporal del oficial grabo todo el incidente. --el policia no sufrio heridas de gravedad... el sospechoso fue capturado y se encuentra tras las rejas. blanca ---un policia de livermore result herido despus que un sospechoso abriera fuego contra l. take vo ---el tiroteo ocurri antes de la 1 de la tarde en una zona residencial cuando los uniformados buscaban a un hombre que ha
vo blanca ---un policia de alton, illinois, esta en el ojo del huracn por video en eque se le ve rociando gas pimienta a 2 jovenes esposados en una celda transitoria. ---las imagenes llegaron de manera anonima al inspector de la polica quien orden una investigacin interna. ---el jefe de policia dijo que fue notificado en marzo, y es cuestionado por haberse pronunciado hasta ahora. vo cesar --un oficial de la policia de savanah, georgia, investigaba un robo en una gasolinera y al solicitar a un...
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. >> dressed in a black jacket and camouflage pants and dark shades tony alton wield az samurai sworda busy intersection. cornered, the man refuses to surrender his weapon without a fight. allison says he is possessed by the devil and is ready to kill the demons who haunt him. >> he talked about his brothers in russia and china. never really >> the spectacle draws a crowd of onlookers and captures the attention of local news stations. they record allison brandishing his sword with no sign of letting up. during the course of the stand-off police attempt several nonlethal strategies from rubber bullets to pupper spray and mace, but nothing deters him. after 11 hours the police try one more approach. they use a fire hose to spray allison with cold water. hoping he will lose his grip on the sword. when that doesn't work they turn the water pressure up full blast. allison loses his balance and falls to the ground. police officers use a ladder to subdue him. then pry the sword from his hand. after the intense standoff, the man is taken to a mental hospital with minor bruises. he is not char
. >> dressed in a black jacket and camouflage pants and dark shades tony alton wield az samurai sworda busy intersection. cornered, the man refuses to surrender his weapon without a fight. allison says he is possessed by the devil and is ready to kill the demons who haunt him. >> he talked about his brothers in russia and china. never really >> the spectacle draws a crowd of onlookers and captures the attention of local news stations. they record allison brandishing his sword...
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they've been interviewing family members of at least one of the gunmen, alton simpson. the fbi is trying to piece together how one of their subjects slipped through the cracks and was able to drive from here in phoenix to texas and launch this attack. and law enforcement want to make sure there are no other associates who also want to launch an attack this as we're learning an isis fighter in syria who may have played a role in the attack tweeted out a warning just recently warning of other attacks to come in the west. tonight an ominous warning from a key isis operative who u.s. investigators believe could be connected to this week's shooting in texas. you ain't seen nothing yet, the tweet thought to be from an isis recruiter and hacker. one u.s. official says hussein is quote, a real problem and could be inspiring other americans to launch attacks in the west. >> he's been somebody that they can follow that they can get information from and it would appear that he possibly helped instigate this attack in texas. it would appear that he might have had some foreknowledge
they've been interviewing family members of at least one of the gunmen, alton simpson. the fbi is trying to piece together how one of their subjects slipped through the cracks and was able to drive from here in phoenix to texas and launch this attack. and law enforcement want to make sure there are no other associates who also want to launch an attack this as we're learning an isis fighter in syria who may have played a role in the attack tweeted out a warning just recently warning of other...
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. >> in the texas shooting, alton simpson, the gunman he was on the radar, and they spoke to him 333 times, so they were already looking at him in a way they might be looking at other potential sympathizers. was that a major law enforcement failure, and do you have confidence the fbi has the resources to take a harder look at the hundreds perhaps thousands of others who may or may not go that way? >> two very important questions, and i think you raise them very effectively. one, this individual was given probation by a judge in spite of purgering and lying and we had our eyes on him, at what point in democracy do we say we are so fearful and you are so suspect and we are concerned but we don't have the ability to take you off the street and that is something that we have to figure out as we go -- >> legally -- >> and deal with it and we have to think about it now and it's more complicated than people think. if the fbi had the resources, no, they don't, but i don't know if that means they will double or triple the number of people in the fbi. one of the challenges we since tw 2001 is
. >> in the texas shooting, alton simpson, the gunman he was on the radar, and they spoke to him 333 times, so they were already looking at him in a way they might be looking at other potential sympathizers. was that a major law enforcement failure, and do you have confidence the fbi has the resources to take a harder look at the hundreds perhaps thousands of others who may or may not go that way? >> two very important questions, and i think you raise them very effectively. one,...
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the other pri five times a day with your brothers" >> reporter: race for summer scene hearing from alton simpson himself known as abraham to the muslims and raising fun furs new mosque requesting. >> reporter: in endorsing fbi: the men of the moscow formally interviewed. try and define the all i this seemingly soft-spoken men would take a violent turn. and they believe he knows he's a tester roosevelt community church in. all sort the simpson for three years have delivery company. and calling for you theology hours upon hours. "surprised and shocked when of the best time when lenders and the sincerity of his beliefs the extras admirations specifically for someone ban-lon" >> jaq "he was the one to do with" >> reporter: no one else now must members from simpson's silicide a sought any signs. >> pam: since then appears to of had had on-line ties to a british isis recruit up to be in syria as well as american jicamas operating out of somalia senior up octet the the cut and arabian peninsula says with a top commander of several that shown in several the as including one charlie of the shooti
the other pri five times a day with your brothers" >> reporter: race for summer scene hearing from alton simpson himself known as abraham to the muslims and raising fun furs new mosque requesting. >> reporter: in endorsing fbi: the men of the moscow formally interviewed. try and define the all i this seemingly soft-spoken men would take a violent turn. and they believe he knows he's a tester roosevelt community church in. all sort the simpson for three years have delivery...
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fbi agents searching the phoenix home of one of the suspects, authorities say alton simpson tweeted aboutwas carried out using the hashtag the texas attack. police say simple so many was convict inside a terror organization five years ago. he was given probation. judge novel he joined us -- napolitano joined us last hour and says the attack is an assault on free speech. >> deliberate provocation is protected speech. and it is the tooth of the -- the duty of the government to be aware of the deliberate provocation, the likely danger as a result of the provocation and to protect the speaker, not to punish the speaker. stuart: obviously, much more on this throughout our program. terror has arrived again in the united states. >>> all right, check that big board. stocks are moving a little bit higher. we were up a bit more than this earlier but we've reached back to 18,100. now look at this, this is green mown cane keurig, you know, the individual coffee cup makers, down $4, that's 3.7%. that stock is the biggest loser of all the 500 stocks in the s&p 500. the price of oil moving a little bit
fbi agents searching the phoenix home of one of the suspects, authorities say alton simpson tweeted aboutwas carried out using the hashtag the texas attack. police say simple so many was convict inside a terror organization five years ago. he was given probation. judge novel he joined us -- napolitano joined us last hour and says the attack is an assault on free speech. >> deliberate provocation is protected speech. and it is the tooth of the -- the duty of the government to be aware of...
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mike bost: my district goes up to alton, almost st. louis, but not as far as grafton. it is 1.33 counties. host: how did you do it, from the standpoint of raising the money? who helped fund you? and what about beating him? rep. mike bost: we had jerry costello there for many years. jerry was a conservative democrat. he represented the area well. the concern that had come up was that this congress or bill enyart was not keeping in touch with the people. they had become used to jerry costello's style, which was constantly in contact. they knew him. all over the district, and in a short period of time, i realized that was not occurring. i actually talked to a democrat state legislator who said, i do not know him, and he was in the district, and that is not what these jobs are about. they are about servant's positions, and i was able to look at that and then springboard on some of the other issues out there. of course, we also have a videotape that was from my experience on the floor as a floor leader that we did not know whether they would use it or not, but we had to try
mike bost: my district goes up to alton, almost st. louis, but not as far as grafton. it is 1.33 counties. host: how did you do it, from the standpoint of raising the money? who helped fund you? and what about beating him? rep. mike bost: we had jerry costello there for many years. jerry was a conservative democrat. he represented the area well. the concern that had come up was that this congress or bill enyart was not keeping in touch with the people. they had become used to jerry costello's...
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only -- very generally the circumstances with which that involvement is warranted or, i should say altonwill hear -- optimal. the speak to congressman walker's issue in questions. they speak to the recording involvement. there is clarity in understanding i all employees with respect to the reasons for the fact of that involvement. and i clearly would have benefited from those protocols. rep. rice: what about whether or not in order to address mr. katko's line of questioning about perception -- and i know that you're not in charge of cif -- are they able to accept own calls from officials -- phone calls from officials? hon. mayorkas: under the protocol, i believe so and i believe the protocol speaks to that and that those communication should be recorded. rep. rice: ok. hon. mayorkas: by recording, i mean memorialized and not necessarily audibly recorded. rep. rice: i will agree with mr. katko that perception often becomes reality and perception is an issue will have to deal with. you have been question very much about the actions that you took in the perceptions that they gave other peop
only -- very generally the circumstances with which that involvement is warranted or, i should say altonwill hear -- optimal. the speak to congressman walker's issue in questions. they speak to the recording involvement. there is clarity in understanding i all employees with respect to the reasons for the fact of that involvement. and i clearly would have benefited from those protocols. rep. rice: what about whether or not in order to address mr. katko's line of questioning about perception --...
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>> my district goes to alton which is still north of st. louis but not quite into the area called grafton. it is 11 and 1/3 counties. the 1/3 county is the county north of st. louis. >> how did you do it both from standpoint of raising money? >> correct. >> who helped fund you and what was your argument in debeating the former congressman? >> let me explain, we had jerry costello for many years. jerry was conservative democrat. he represented the area well. he was constantly in touch with the people. concern had come up was that this congress, bill enyard was not, not keeping in touch with the people. they had become used to jerry costello's style constantly in contact. they knew him. went all over the district. and, in a short period of time i realized that was not occurring. i actually talked to a democrat state legislator who told me, said, i don't know him. i never met him. he was in the district. and that's not what these jobs are about. they're about servants positions. so i was able to look at that. then springboard on other issues t
>> my district goes to alton which is still north of st. louis but not quite into the area called grafton. it is 11 and 1/3 counties. the 1/3 county is the county north of st. louis. >> how did you do it both from standpoint of raising money? >> correct. >> who helped fund you and what was your argument in debeating the former congressman? >> let me explain, we had jerry costello for many years. jerry was conservative democrat. he represented the area well. he was...
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from the terrorist attack in garland, texas, earlier this morning, the fbi says one of the attacker, altonto elude surveillance to attempt this foiled attack. we got harry hauck who joins us now. good morning. i wonder if you can fill the picture out when they say they need the help of local law enforcement are they asking them to watch facebook pages, to surveil? what are we expecting? >> it's probably all of that. it's a bit a red flag to me. there's roughly 30,000 agents at the fbi the last time i checked. that's approximately the size of the new york city police department. so they don't have the manpower to watch were every single possible terrorist in this country. each state does have their own task forces that virtually work with the fbi. and that's comprised of local law enforcement also. but apparently, that's not enough. so it appears to me that they're going to have -- it takes probably about six people to watch somebody 24 hours a day. that's just following somebody. all right? so if you have hundreds and hundreds of potential suspects, then that's thousands and thousands of p
from the terrorist attack in garland, texas, earlier this morning, the fbi says one of the attacker, altonto elude surveillance to attempt this foiled attack. we got harry hauck who joins us now. good morning. i wonder if you can fill the picture out when they say they need the help of local law enforcement are they asking them to watch facebook pages, to surveil? what are we expecting? >> it's probably all of that. it's a bit a red flag to me. there's roughly 30,000 agents at the fbi the...
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of alton, missouri, was involved in a fatal vehicle crash while responding to a structure fire october 20 of last year. in addition to being an officer with the alton police department officer johnson also served as the fire chief of the volunteer fire department and as a reserve deputy for the oregon county sheriff's department. he was 45 years old. he was -- he is survived by his wife and their three children. so in a difficult -- so difficult things happen to those who -- who serve. we saw two of our officers, the st. louis county police officers at ferguson, missouri, that were shot recently as someone was shooting into a crowd. they are expressing concern about police activity, but the very people trying to be sure that that crowd was able to express that concern were then the victims of violence that has not yet been really figured out why the person that fired those shots was shooting at a crowd whether he was shooting specifically at police in that crowd or just shooting into the crowd or what that person was doing. but people who -- the desire of people who serve and put on th
of alton, missouri, was involved in a fatal vehicle crash while responding to a structure fire october 20 of last year. in addition to being an officer with the alton police department officer johnson also served as the fire chief of the volunteer fire department and as a reserve deputy for the oregon county sheriff's department. he was 45 years old. he was -- he is survived by his wife and their three children. so in a difficult -- so difficult things happen to those who -- who serve. we saw...