alvita king, niece of dr. martin luther king, jr. dr. lappin, dr. robert franklin president of moorehouse college and via satellite. the grandson of gandhi. here is what i want to do. i am beginning to look at moses in-- i've read the old testament this year in a completely different way. i mean, it's just-- to me it's on fire right now. the same with the words of dr. martin luther king. so what i want to look at is, i may be going through that, but maybe other people aren't and maybe other people are kind of stock and looking at moses as a guy, climbs up on the mountain and throws a rock and you can't relate. so, let's go through each of these and show me where the revolution is of today, that is similar to each of the time. that make sense. >> yes, absolutely. >> so let's start with you, with moses. >> yes, well, first of all, you don't necessarily have to have the physical apparatus of oppression for there to be an egypt-like set of circumstances. egypt is essentially a spiritual oppression. because the terrible temptation of tierney is-- it's al