to discuss is bakari sellers, a former democratic elected official, and alyssa -- here are some of the quotes from tucker carlsongs. he said we're close to being able to ignore trump most nights. i hate him passionately. i blew up at peter navaro today. i like peter, but i can't handle much more than this. come on, there isn't an upside to trump. hold on one second, bakari, because i'm going to say something you might be surprised. this really isn't relevant to whether or not fox lied about the elections. dominion is not suing fox for lying about trump and pretending they like donald trump. dominion is suing fox for lying about the elections. you're a lawyer. does this not boost the fox argument that dominion is, in many of these filings, just trying to embarrass them? >> well, they are trying to embarrass them, and i think dominion trying to win not just in the court of law but in the court of public opinion. let me just kind of reframe your statement just a little bit, because it's not just proving that fox news lied about the 2020 elections, but they willfully lied about those 2020 elections. i think that som