do you believe alyssa farah griffin and mark milley, there you go, there is the intent. it is a crucial part of the case, so that is why this testimony is so important. there might be other testimony with jared kushner saying i don't think he actually thought he lost, we might be getting into a pistol optical questions about what is in his mind, how does one ever know what they know? >> so to be so clueless, or to be so misinformed, or misguided, to think, or believe, that you lost the election or won the election i should say, that could be a viable defense? >> i think the category would fall under, legally, what we call advice of counsel. here i am, donald trump, and have these lawyers rudy giuliani, sydney powell, telling me that i can fight this. , ortiz example of pressuring mike pence, well john eastman, constitutional scholars, former supreme court clerk, he's telling me that the vice president does have this authority and i can rely on that. that is the defense. >> councillor, standby. michael cohen, obviously you were personna not or for sometime before any of t

cnn's kaitlan collins, alyssa farah griffin, and cnn legal analyst elliot williams. so what have you learned, kaitlan, about the members of the inner circle of trump? >> it's notable who is gone, which is obviously jared kushner and hope hicks, probably two of the closest people to donald trump during his time in the white house, and certainly during this time period. we know that they both went and testified before the grand jury, that is hearing the testimony in this, and the investigation into efforts to overturn the election by not just trump, but also his allies. i think it matters because jared kushner was obviously. there i was told back in mid-december of that time period that jared kushner was going with a ivanka trump and urging trump to concede the election. they never bought into the idea that it was stolen. that doesn't mean they spoke up. but going to him privately and urging him to concede. hope hicks is also notable. we know she spoke to the january 6th congressional committee. it's kind of interesting how much of a road map they have paved for a lot

like myself, like stephanie grisham and alyssa farah griffin to be surrounded him to give him good solid advice. what i'm most worried about and what we saw at the end of his administration was that he stopped listening to people who weren't telling him what he wanted to hear, and he started listening to people who are feeding into his worst instincts. that is my worry as well if he were to ever win the presidency again, that the folks will be surrounding him would not be people of good character. i think a lot of people are sticking by his side aren't doing so in the best interest of our country. i think they're doing so in the best interest of their own careers. >> sarah matthews, great to talk to, you thank so much for being with us tonight. >> thank you. >> a new flood of evidence and google beach serial killer's case including it all the reportedly found in the suspect's house, and hundreds of gun. we'll break down everything we learn today about -- and why police thought he was getting ready to strike again. try killing bugs the worry-free way. not the other way. zevo traps use lig

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we know alyssa farah griffin has been questioned.i lost to this guy. so that type of thing helps show that trump knew that he lost, and if you sort of look at the timeline, there are these examples of trump saying this in november and early december. but by the middle of december, he seemed completely convinced or at least was saying that publicly and privately that he thought the election was stolen, and you see how you get on the path to january 6th. >> danny, as expected, special counsel smith is opposing trump's request to delay his trial and the classified documents case. how do you see things for both sides there? >> my view may be biased because umm a criminal defense attorney. i may have a different take than a former federal prosecutor. i don't think the request to delay the trial is that unreasonable. the government does make some good points. for example, the statute really seems to require and this is typically the case federal judges must set a date certain. that is virtually required. so, the defense asking an indefinit

for every jared kushner, there's an alyssa farah griffin who was on the receiving end of trump saying you believe i effing lost to this guy? hope aches, also in her testimony before the january six committee, testified to hearing the president essentially concede that he had lost. but in her telling of it, it was always followed up by, i can't believe i lost. there's no way i lost. so she played a straight down the middle. the department of justice is going to collect all of those stories. but what they're particularly interested in is the story of those who heard him say that he lost, like general milley, or alyssa farah griffin. and what that shows about his intent, that he nonetheless continued with numerous schemes to overturn the results of the election, despite conceding his loss. >> lisa, i am impressed by your faith in yourself to reference the expletive without accidentally saying it. i could not say the same for myself. and as usual, you have trump trying to stall his classified documents trial, what are the doj's chances of delivering speedy justice given that his favorite

thank you so much, alyssa farah griffin, i really appreciate your talking to us. here now republican presidential candidate, asa hutchinson, former governor of arkansas. governor hutchinson, you released a new federal law enfoemt proposal today which would increase transparency in governntnstitutions, many of which have lost public trust. one element of your proposal is to, quote, reacffirm the criticl relationshipeten presidents and attorney general, emphasize the oversight role of the attorney general and the non-interference principle of the president in specific investigations. for those of us who believe in an independent justice department, that's music to their ears, but that's the exact opposite of what we're hearing from donald trump in this reporting who wants less independence from the justice department from the fcc, the ftc. what to yodo you make of that? >> donald trump has undermined our rule of law. he's undermined our law enforcement agencies, and sure, there were abuses back in 2016 that required changes. christopher wray has made some transforma

trump's behavior have been questioned, among them alyssa farah griffin, white house communications director in the days after the 2020 election. jared kushner, and i want to read from here, get you to elaborate, mr. kushner did testify before the grand jury at the federal courthouse in washington last month, where he is said to have maintained it was his impression mr. trump truly believe the election was stolen, according to a person briefed on the matter. what do you make of that? >> what i make of that is that if you are the prosecutor you want to know what everyone would say if this were to go to trial. you would certainly want to know what the people closest to trump would say, because you wouldn't want there to be any surprises. you wouldn't want jared kushner to say well, actually, something that is very surprising that could up and what you know. so you want to have all the facts before you go forward because someone like jared kushner could be called by the defendant, donald trump, to testify. so while kushner's testimony, based on a reporting, does not get the prosecutors there on

we heard alyssa farah griffin say that she heard him say, you can believe i lost to this guy?r-in-law knew he had lost. apparently his testimony to the prosecutors is that he thinks his father-in-law believes some of the things he was saying. there's indication he had reason not to. he was told time and time again by people in his own campaign, in his own orbit, his own government that what he was saying was not true. they hired agencies to investigate the fraud claims. the agencies hired by the trump campaign said, no, nothing there, along the lines you are talking about. >> ken, barbara, peter, as always, thanks to all of you. >>> a new world health organization report, warning of potential not so sweet risks associated with aspartame. yesterday, the w.h.o. classified it as a possible carcinogen but said the move was based on limited evidence and call for further research. the report stands in contract with the fda findings which refute the new classification, citing decades of research since the sweetener hit the shelves in 1973. a separate report from the w.h.o. said it wo

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. >> david axelrod, alyssa farah griffin, thank you for fact-checking that, that was perfect.all of trump's wrath after certifying biden's win in georgia, saying he cannot do what trump did and wanted him to do when it came to overturning the election results, but will he support trump again? >> i've told him exactly what i could and could not do when it came to the election, and i followed the law and constitution. that is a lot bigger than donald trump, a lot bigger than me, a lot bigger than the republican party. >> that exclusive interview with republican governor brian kemp is next. shbacking you could earn on everything with just one card. chase freedom unlimited. so, if you're off the racking... ...or crab cracking, you're cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? hold up - yeeerp? i can't talk right now, i'm at a silent retreat. cashback on everything you buy with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. mak

wouldn't really be much of a defense because there is this moment you're referencing when you say alyssa farah griffin, general mark milley, cassidy hutchinson, all acknowledging at some point someone had acknowledged trump had lost the election. so, how does that work if that is a defense that trump's team would be considering? >> even -- look. even if he thought he had -- thought that the election had been -- that he had won and it had been stolen, even if he really thought that were true, it doesn't give him an excuse to submit multiple false slates of electors to pressure various secretaries of state to find votes and put in these fake slates of electors. didn't give him the right to pressure pence to -- you know, he's obstructing an official governmental proceeding. and those things aren't -- you know, it's not a defense that, well, i thought i won. also, the worst one of all is insurrection of violence. he does not have a right to do that. what he had a right to do was bring court cases. and he did. he brought 60 or 70 of them. he lost all of them saying -- >> 64. >> 64, there you go -- saying t

then you have testimony from the likes of, for example, alyssa farah griffin spoke about his conversatione point. i believe cassidy hutchinson a lead into something similar. referencing, and their statements before the january 6th congressional committee, which is a separate beast in this entire equation, to suggest that he did in fact believe or knew that he did not win. but to your point about it fading, that timeline, that chronology is very interesting to so many people. because, of course, one of the big issues here is whether they can prove that he thought so. also, how he may had conspired or convinced others of what he was saying. i wonder, you are a part of the white house, you are there through 2021. it did you have a conversation with the former president about his belief that he won, or did not win, the election? >> so, i didn't. fortunately, that was pat philbin and pat cipollone, well known to the grand jury at this point. but yeah, certainly of tuck -- from cassidy hutchinson, there's no reason to discount that. the doj usually needs more. it's not on this hand, on the othe

joining me now, david axle robinhood, and alyssa farah griffin.ments, there was a lot of backlash yesterday. 43 house democrats have come out and criticized her. leadership came out, they didn't mention her by name but it was pretty clear they were talking about her. republicans say they want disciplinary action to be taken. >> yeah. all i can tell you is remember when marjorie taylor greene got elected and it turned out that she had embraced this crazy qanon idea that fires in california were set off by the rothschilds and space lasers. and she's now one of the close end lieutenants of kevin mccarthy. so, this is a game, a political game. i think it's a deadly serious issue. and, look, i've been critical for a long period of time of the netanyahu government. you know, i believe in a two-state solution. i believe that permanent occupation is not in the interest of israel or the palestinians. all of that is legitimate. i think she got over her skis in front of a crowd and went too far. and she as much as acknowledged it. and i think, let's have a s

alyssa farah griffin, director of strategic communications in the trump white house. and jamal simmons, former communications director for vice president kamala harris. all right, thanks very much to all of you. let me start by you've got a new document presented and then you have this whole new area of deleting security footage and these codefendants. let me start with 49 pages on june 8th. superseding indictment is 69 pages on july 27th. jack smith at the time talked about a speedy trial. so obviously this is going to slow it down. it seems it's going to slow it down. you're adding all this. why now? >> so why now might be just they came across the evidence after their first indictment because the grand jury continued to meet, continued to take additional witnesses and maybe they were looking at this third person who they sent a target letter to him. when they get all that information, it doesn't just implicate him, it also implicates the former president. they in some sense have no choice given the nature of these charges, but to add it to slows things down. >> but

but then you have testimony from the likes of, alyssa farah griffin spoke about his conversation withmeadows at one point. i believe cassidy hutchinson alluded to something similar, referencing, their statements before -- obviously, the january 6th congressional committee, which is a separate, of course, beast in this entire equation, to suggest that he did in fact believe, or a new, that he did not win. but to your point about that fading -- that timeline, that chronology of this is very interesting this so many people. because, of course, one of the big issues here is whether they can prove that he thought so. but also, how he may have conspired, or convince others of what he was saying. i wonder, you are a part of the white house, and you were there i think through 2020. 2021. did you ever have a conversation with the former president, about his belief that he won, or did not win the election? >> so, i didn't. fortunately that was -- at philbin and pat cipollone, who, i think, are well known to the grand jury at this point. but, yeah, sure maybe you got testimony from alyssa farah

understand whether trump knew he lost, and it seems based on your reporting that mark milley and alyssa farah griffind then what happens when people like jared kushner say well, i think he thought he actually won. talk about this dynamic as a pillar of jack smith's probe. >> well, look, i mean, the importance of this story and why we were, you know, so interested in writing as much as we did about it is that it gets at the question of intent, and the, you know, pretty much most former federal prosecutors will agree that the stronger intent that you have, the stronger case that you have. and the better, more likely you are to convince a jury, and that there is nothing more powerful than someone's own word. in the case of donald trump, there's not a lot of text messages, e-mail, no handwritten notes, there's never been any real examples of that, but there are contemporaneous comments to people around him. that is the closest thing that prosecutors can find to that type thing. big white collar investigations, they look for the e-mail or the text message or the slack message that shows, you know, the fra