host: i want to bounce this quote off of you from alyssa rosenberg. it was part of her column that she wrote for the "washington post" recently on the sony hack. she wrote, while i certainly worry that the scale of the incident will have a chilling effect on raunchy satire or even movie-going itself, i wonder if we're just offloading responsibility for our increasingly violent and polarized conversation about the media on to a convenient villain. do you think we are? guest: the villain would be north korea? host: in that case, yes. guest: ah, ok. i admire his been rosenberg's stuff. i always read her when i can. she's written a lot of sharp reviews, sharper than the average these days. i take her seriously. i don't know if we're unloading -- i mean, we're unloading our own misgivings about the coarsening and the extreme violence in our entertainment, we're unloading that on to the north koreans. host: are there conversations we should be having that we're not having here just by, you know, blaming the attack on north korea and worrying about the email