am i am ronnie, and i'm a journalist base here in london. this episode we need to young accident who was happening. the record is a violent from unjust legal and education system to poverty, policing and racial inequality. in 2010, a conservative lead government came into power and implemented a policy of steri t o u the next decade, billions of pounds of cuts in public spending in london use violence and knife. crime has increased at t n. a catch blames austerity right now we're in canada and you basically grew up around here, right? yeah. a lot of people know this area of being a tourist destination for the market, but this is a place where you've kind of decided that you want to get involved in. i wasn't in the community. why is that? i think it's because if you look at the dement, well the power, the big company, but we don't equally share the fruits of what's happening. and i think particularly as a young person, you see all the issues around you bought it and you decide. if it's not mean is going to be involved, then you will be so when you were 15 years old, he decided to join the youth parliament of great britain. and you gave a reading, passion, speech about me, fine. and. and some of them went and tried to leave for merchant services, lead against the conservative policy as my crime came more lives within our country. never has so much been lost by so many because of the indecision of so few. yeah. what we think you, when you decided to do that, it's about the idea that you can use the words again that the conservative party have the set of ideals about the way they want. but they don't follow through with that particular kind of rhetoric about leavening up the country is not matched up by any kind of real investment all taping over the crux of ridiculous therapy, which the entire community is under the bond. what does a fair more. busy equal, more just country look like i think is about fundamentals investing in community. right now we have a system in which community to essentially left brain problems that they face a low. but we have to think about building a society in which everyone can have a fair start in life, which were all given that and you could change it if there were some people that said, okay, that's the list that joe young understand the way the world were well, would you say they'd be able, i'd say that we just need to reframe our kind of narrative around history. the current perspective that we study s t for me is kind of through the lens and the power. when we actually look at that the moment where regular people have banded together and can achieve a lot the government has stopped many council estates of funding since 2010 up to 1000 youth centers have been shut down for many young people. life is becoming increasingly difficult and dangerous. tammy morley helped those. he had been impacted by violence. this is the grand participate needs grow up there. right. this is barbara. could you just tell me what was going on? that 1st made you want to work in your community. paul. there is but issues that we experience from such a young age living in the see just is experiencing in just face. i'm been exposed to such extreme violence when i was 15. my next door neighbor, my childhood friend mall and he was on killed a month before his 18th birthday. i'm so yeah, that was definitely a catalyst for me to want to one on the found how things can even happen. and also 5 people to work with in my community to support people who are experiencing the things that people should actually experience. especially children and their friends does. could you just explain to you a little bit about the services that you provide? the young people for fun is on a mission, so empower young people and communities to fight for justice and freedom. and we support young people who have experience violence to create change in their own lives, in our community. and in for 5 see about community empowerment. it's about lifting young people to be able to fries and not just provide you with a good background in law. you paid a law degree, how much do you feel that that impacted your work in the community and awareness of the situations that people come up again? when i went to university and i was study in law, that's when i 1st realized how detached the legal system or the study of the legal system is from the reality. oh, i had an experience where in one lecture when we were learning about families, are fighting for justice to their loved ones, are being incarcerate for things that they haven't done. what we're talking about is direct effect in my community and the future lawyers are saying around really couldn't care about ah, i realized i wasn't nothing to do stuff system from the inside. don't get me wrong . i respect people that do that. we have some amazing ways that we work with, and i think we do need those people. i just didn't want to be one of them for i could do from the outside the work you do. it's very kind of emotional it personal. what kind of told had it taken on you being engaged in that day to day? this work can bring a lot of joy unfulfilled man. but i can't take away from the fact that it's really hard to bear witness to people's pain. and watching young people process days, experiences, i feel proud that they don't have the data alone, by the way, experiencing those things as a community, collectively we experience and to care for. and in that sense, as long as there's injustice and all of this pain and trauma happening, there's no way to not be impacted. so the toll take from me as the told i take from everybody the in 2012 as part of an effort to reduce klein, the government commission to study that looked into the background of prison. it found that 63 percent of the inmate surveyed had been either temporarily or permanently excluded from school. the link between a bad education and future incarceration is so distinct that it is known as the school to prison pipeline. kemi the project b, work on the forefront project works specifically with young people that have been excluded. how important you think is to engage with young people who are being excluded from schools. when you marginalize on people from education as 1st time, they will experience exclusion from society. and i think that has a knock on effect and how they perceive themselves and how they perceive the world and how they may for it. well, follow on from that. many schools are very disciplinarian and punitive, and same young people up for imprisonment, certain young people because outside of just school exclusions, which catalog in attention. i think there's a whole spectrum that's even happening in the schools before people were excluded permanent me under the new legislation that they are trying to introduce and the police cause crime sentencing bill. they are ramping up secure schools that are supposedly schools with security rather than presents with education. that is not even a school for the pipeline anymore. we skipped the pipeline. i went straight to the prism and it's not just about staying in school. it's also about what you learn and what's in the curriculum, and actually even really focal on this specifically thought about white washing of the curriculum. how do you think that links to the progress the young people can make? i think like a fundamental part of education is you study any topic from a certain perspective. and i think currently we have a very your century perspective with clues, the pivotal and fundamental road this country paid in things like empire colonialism, slavery. and if we kind of look at our narrative around the past, this is idea that essentially these things were ended by a kind of moral revelation or more development in the u. k. and across europe and across the western world. but when we look at the the haitian revolution as an example of a historical event, which is the only of a successful revolution in which was most profitable county in haiti, essentially over fu, ending slavery. that paid a pivotal role in shifting the tide towards abolition. but if you look at the way they currently presented the curriculum, it's essentially around this idea of moral development in the u. k. that has an impact on the way that we perceive social change today. because the kind of lens we study the past in school undermines the importance in terms of the long term historical narrative, that movement paid. and that means that we under emphasize the role that we can play as movements today. and tell me you're coming at this a few years further down the line is obviously graduated and been through the education system looking back. was there anything that you think was missing in the education system? i think for me, history was subjects. i was very passionate about, i really enjoyed the civil rights movement in the miracles. one of my favorite subjects at the time leaving school, i felt i knew nothing about the movement in this country. i'm learning everything that's happening in america. i had no idea about all of the black liberation organizing that was happening in this country way before i was born. i'm continue to happen way also. i died. i. so why wasn't, i've been for about my own history in this country. something that i can connect with them relate to and not going to build my understanding of the world. i'm living name of the society i'm living in, that's something that i really would have value and they get me wrong. i think international solidarity is really important. so i am glad that i got the understanding of what was happening abroad, but it shouldn't have come at the expense of learning anything about what was happening in this country. the in the ending march 2020. there were around 46000 recorded offences involving a knife and in london, the metropolitan police has warned that 2021 is on track to be in the last year of teenage killing a more than a decade. as a response, the ruling conservative party has called to the police to be given way to pilot while many journalists in the british media, he's a gang label without factoring in the all the reasons that lead to this file and tell me you've spoken about the importance of the distinction between the gang culture i need violence. why do you think it's so important that that distinction is understood, developing an understanding of how particular labels are used to fathom marginalized and ostracized particular groups? the word gang in this country has become synonymous with black youth. why one would
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