i am your host, wu ray-kuo.inue our conversation with mr. ahmed syafri, the representative of the indonesian economic and trade office in taipei. you and i were talking about ways the relationship between indonesia and taiwan have developed over the years. one that is very important is the into marriages between the two sides. i was fascinated by the figure you mentioned. what is the incidence of marriage between indonesian people and taiwanese people? do you remember the number roughly? do you remember the number that comes to your office? >> roughly is about 30,000. there is a sister city between indonesia and taiwan. they want to marry indonesians. taiwan is afraid of an aging population. >> it is a problem. >> most of the females in taiwan do not want to give birth. >> we are at the lowest birthrate. >> in order to have more children, they marry others. they married japanese. they married indonesian's. they marry chinese. culturally, they are married because they saare chinese, but they have been moving from

i am wu ray-kuo. we continue with jean-pascal lombart.ather, we understand this is the year, 2013, that you organize and lead a student volunteer group into sierra leone. this is a country that many people in taiwan taiwan, myself included, know very little about. the country is generally not well depicted. this civil war, a lot of violence and bloodshed. has the country changed in the last five or 10 years? >> i think their perception is very representative of 95% of humanity regarding sierra leone and africa in general. that is precisely why i like to go to africa to change this picture a little bit. and to help people discover that in africa, and in this case, sierra leone, people want to go on with their life. they have big dreams. they want to build up their country. they have gone through a very painful events at the civil war, which finished in 2002. they had three peaceful democratic transitions of power. what they want is to be part of humanity. they have been seen as a pariah, a dangerous place. they have big dreams for their co