. >> this is a famous story, amanda birdman chairman of the planning department, and commissioner oflanning commission, chairman of that, as well. some body who -- the producer or the writer saw her story, in a profile,. >> right. >> and decided this life would be the perfect life for you to inhabit. >> yeah, a good parallel because i think you have to be -- >> it is only partly her life >> started as an economist then changed it to her life. >> she is more glamorous. >> well, she is beautiful and glamorous. she is smart, i think it is an occupation that requires not just statistics it is about numbermaking sense of things but also about the heart and when i have sat with amanda before she does go and feel the site she says it is about going there and feeling it and understanding it and the people all around not just about getting all the papers and the zoning and you know, it is -- so we needed that. we needed that to heart and the mind to be working together or struggling at all times and also the choicethe streets the paths that we take gave us a really nice metaphor. >> how about