kirsten powers and amanda carpenter were listening to that interview. we'll get their reaction after a quick break. ♪ we hide hotel names, so you can find four star hotels at two star prices. h-o-t-w-i-r-e (e-e-e-e) >>> a moment ago you heard from the attorney for deborah ramirez. john clune says he was on a senate judiciary committee conference call tonight in hopes of speaking with republicans on the panel. however, he said only the democratic members were on the call. we received an e-mail chain sent to us by the gop folks on the judiciary committee who essentially say they have been asking for any information that ms. ramirez has on whether she'd be willing to talk to senate investigators from mr. clune. he's unwilling to give that information until they talk and find out more details about what specifically the gop side wants. joining us is cnn political analyst kirsten powers, also amanda carpenter author of the new book "gaslighting america: why we love it when trump lies to us." kirsten, i'm wondering what you make of this kind of back and forth

back with kirsten powers, amanda carpenter, and carrie severino.ite house clearly seems to be taking a different tone here. as you mentioned, kellyanne conwayish and did i mentioned, kellyanne conway saying the accuser shouldn't be ignored and the president saying this should go through a full process. it's certainly different than the way that the president has discredited other accusers or talked about others. what do you think -- do you think that's the right strategy for them to take and why do you think that is what they're doing now? >> i think they recognize that she does deserve a hearing. but i think it's interesting, some of the discussion earlier, people seem to be asking that there's an open hearing, yet one party be treated with kid gloves, when we have seen the process that's happened so far in these hearings where there were the antics of senator spartacus booker, who was trying to showboat during the hearings, 200-plus protesters standing up and being arrested, senator harris's really shameful attempts to edit his remarks and miscon

and amanda carpenter is back with me. amanda, your reaction to this?> how did this even get published? most people get their news through social media. the two ways you consume that news are the headline and the picture. those were both bad selections by the "times" and without the headline that story quickly falls apart unless you want to talk about the high price of curtains which, fine, go ahead and do but that's not the message conveyed with the headline and the story. yes, "the new york times" fixed it. good on them, but that was long after major publications like "vogue" ran with the story. a democratic congressman from california who started calling for an investigation and is still standing by that because of that story. so there's some real damage done, but thankfully there are people like jake tapper willing to fact check that story and i think played a major role in getting it adjusted. >> oliver, you wrote about this when it happened, about this issue with "the times." this is a reporter who made a big mistake who may have a bad reputation

amanda carpenter, i understand the degree to which some people think it's distasteful to publish this a fame attach attached to it but we have seen a policy put out there and then completely disavowed and walked back because president trump was just speaking off the cuff or venting or whatever. it's gotten to the point that we don't even talk about it anymore. president trump was talking about changing libel laws just this morning, i believe. any other administration we would take something like that very seriously but i mean, so whether or not you like who this person is or whether or not you believe he's important, we have seen evidence of this. >> yeah. and it is interesting that this piece zeros in on the president's russia policy. and expresses concerns about how much of a hard time they had to get him on board with expelling russian operatives in the united states. sticking with that. trying to get on board with sanctions. but let's not be mistaken. there is an element of self preservation in the piece and the author complains about the bad name that white house aides get for st

amanda carpenter, is that true? see republican men and women want to see this go through and have some firm resolutions at the end of this hearing. and brett kavanagh has said i categorically unequivocally deny participating in any of this kind of behavior through my whole life. so if anything comes out to disprove that, he's toast, that's the standard. >> we now have four individuals who have come forward who were named by professor ford who were at that party, kavanagh, judge, smith and her friend, leland kaiser have all said they don't remember anything like this ever happened and leland kaiser who says she believes ford says she doesn't even remember ever being at a party where kavanagh was president. >> and that actually corroborates ford's story that she was so horrified by this that she kind of snuck out or shrulun slunk out of this apartment what no one would know what happened because she was so utterly mortified and she didn't tell anyone for years, which is consistent with the way 77% of women behave who

joining me now, two conservatives, republicans, amanda carpenter, former communications for credit cruzn vote trump. i am joined by two republican women that sit on the senate judiciary committee. how and why is that a problem, if at all? >> it is a problem. i do think it is more generational than anything. but the subject matter trumps all. i don't know how anyone gets out of this hearing looking good. i think it would be fair and legitimate questions about the who, what, why and when of these events and why you can't place the where but also for the accuser. brett kavanaugh had lots of prep before he wentz through his confirmation hearings. he's a lifetime political player. he knows this game. she has never been in front of a spotlight like this and will have to answer very personal questions. and under those lights, i think anybody could crack. i think this is a tough situation for everyone all around and there is no good outcome. >> is this an image problem for the republicans to have these 11 men questioning this one woman? >> well, i have never worked in the senate, and i'm not fa

amanda carpenter, let me start with you. is that true? think republican women and men want to see this vote go through and have some firm resolution by the end of these hearings. susan collins has set out a very clear and reasonable standard. brett kavanaugh has said i categorically, unequivocally deny participating in any of this kind of behavior through my whole life. and so if anything comes out to disprove that, he's toast. that's the standard. >> we have now four individuals who have come forward who were named by professor ford who were at that party and all four, kavanaugh, judge, smith and her friend, leland keyser, have all said they don't remember anything like this happened. and keyser, who believes ford, said she doesn't remember being at a party where kavanaugh was present. >> that corroborates ford's story was that she was so horrified by this that she kind of snuck out or slunk out of this apartment in a way that no one would know what happened because she was so utterly mortified and she didn't tell anybody for years, whic

and amanda carpenter. let me begin with you, julie.this hearing saying this is going to be one of those "where were you when" moments. it certainly was. >> the hearing on thursday went on for hours. i think one of the reasons people were so captured by this is because in washington and in politics, we rarely have these moments where you see raw emotion. you see people no matter what side you come down on this, you see people angry and frustrated and sad. it was all mixed into one here. and then, on friday, the uncertainty about where this nomination goes. we're still in a very uncertain period for the kavanaugh nomination. we don't know if he'll be the next person brought down by the wave of women coming forward or whether he'll plow through. and the outcomes of that, not just for this midterm election but broadly in our politics, are going to linger. >> i think there was a broader reason people were so tuned in. is that so many women that i know, myself included, have had moments, very similar to what dr. ford spoke about. and so, it

york democratic strategic and former communication for ted cruz and political commentator amanda kant carpentert me ask this question this year, 20 million is like oscar like level. no super bowl but like playoffs. that's at least because we don't know how many others were watching often devices, on airplanes, that sort of thing, 80 million people or there about voted in the last mid-term will economi election. how do you look at this? is it 20 million you could say a majority were not watching or you say 20 million is a sizable chunk of people to be tuning in therefore it means x-for nobody? >> i any it's important because people are paying attention. we democrats have talked about how much this effects policy. there's already motivated democratic electorate so there are them a tune to this in part because this is donald trump's second appointee. >> oh, yeah. >> we're concerned about potentially a third. so if we don't stop this here it will transform the court for generations to come. >> yeah. >> so something's got to be done here. >> i get that urgency on the part of democrats, for sure. but