>> well we can, you know look at amanda collins story in 2006, and the university of nevada she was a licensed holder. she did not bring her concealed handgun, and subsequently was attacked and brutally raped. so we know that if we - if she had had it in her backpack or purse with her on her person that story would have been drastically different. or the other two women that were raped. the outcome of the stories, would it be different if more were armed. it's a question that we can answer with certainty. back to guns situations like that it's much more dangerous. >> fundamentally, this decision whether we should force universities to carry guns in classrooms dormitories,

. >> well, we can, you know, look at amanda collins story in 2006 and the university of nevada, she was a licensed holder. she did not bring her concealed handgun, and subsequently was attacked and brutally raped. so we know that if we - if she had had it in her backpack or purse with her on her person, that story would have been drastically different. or the other two women that were raped. the outcome of the stories, would it be different if more were armed. it's a question that we can answer with certainty. back to guns, situations like that, it's much more dangerous. >> fundamentally, this decision, whether we should force universities to carry guns in classrooms, dormitories, practically anywhere, should be left up to the people that live, work and study every day. pretty much all the cases where we see states trying to force universities to allow this policy. the students, faculty and law enforcement think it is a bad idea. fundamentally we are goingnot going to shoot out of problems on campus. there are better ways to act and prevent it happening, than giving students guns and ha

take the case of amanda collins, a student in nevada.aled carry permit but she couldn't bring her firearm on to campus because it was prohibited. guess what? she was raped at gunpoint by someone who owned a gun illegally. this gives -- this empowers women. this is -- what we're seeing right now, you've seen sexual assault and rape campuses in-- cases increase on these campuses. if they have campus carry laws you've seen no spike in violence or firearms incidents. >> i want to go back to another vince vaughn quote. here's what he said banning guns is like banning forks in an attempt to stop making people fat. taking away guns taking away drugs, the booze, it won't rid the world of criminality." still don't agree with him, marjorie? >> i do agree with that fact but i will say this. what i disagree with is that actually the prevalence of gun related homicides on college campuses is very very low. you are talking about 12,000 homicides a year on average. and only about ten -- that's a very rare incident. part of the things that you do have t