i am joined now by amanda tyler, executive director of the baptist joint committee for religious liberty joining us. as i mentioned at the southern baptist convention back in june, you had thousands of delegates ultimately voting to oppose ivf but what is the movement against ivf look like beyond that contingent? >> i think that the votes signify the right movement of the southern baptist convention, which is becoming increasingly anti-woman and, frankly, anti-baptist. they have taken really newly found theological fascination with this idea that life begins at conception and taken it to adopt this really widely unpopular opposition to ivf treatments. there were a number of delegates at the convention themselves who gave very personal and capable testimonies about how -- so important to their families. but nevertheless, the convention did pass that resolution and i do think it's very telling that just today, in my hometown, on the dallas morning news, there was an opinion piece by a pastor, a very conservative mother is mega church who wrote about his own experience with ivf, disagreeing

. >> amanda tyler, i do appreciate your joining us this evening and sharing your insights with an important concerned about as we head toward the election with another reminder of what is at stake come november. thank you for joining us. >> thank you to you at home for spending a part of your weekend with us and make sure to catch ayman right here on msnbc and follow us here on instagram and other social media. until we meet again i am live from new york. have a good night. good night. ls to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can also happen. the most common side effects are pain, redness, and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, tiredness, headache, shivering, fever, and upset stomach. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingrix today. (aaron) i own a lot of businesses... shivering, fever, and upset stomach. so i wear a lot of hats. my restaurants, my tattoo shop... and i also have a non-profit. but no matter what business i'm in... my network and my tech need to keep up. thank you, veri