have some public elements but may also have private elements that will make healthcare affordable to amany people as possible. i think there ould be a safety net, if nessary, provided by the government, and in a modern, complex society like ours, it probably is necessary, the safety net provided by the government. but on the wholei would much rather rely on the market. i don't like government running things unless it's absolutely necessary. no one else can run -- i don't want arivate military. i want the government running that. >> mm-hmm. mm-hmm. >> but what can be done by private initiative, private action, voluntary work i think shou be. s >> and y now the overlap here, because at the moral level, we're very similar. >> what you're both saying is -- there's an obligation of civil >> somehow, that society ought to provide to the best of its ability, because, morally and spiritually, human beings haveme ing precious that needs to be attended to that results in how theyehave. but then, at the level of policy, then you s, "oh, well, blet's see which way is tt way of gng about doing this kin