i'm so happy to bring amani perry to chitaqua. there was a day of biblical rain. >> torrential. >> we had to stop recording two or three times, we had to stop recording two or three times because the nature of that rain deafened it. we were able to create a program from it. but it was hard and the production complicated so i'm delighted to bring her back and we will not be interrupted. >> thank you so much for having me again. it was wonderful despite the rain. >> you know, many things have changed. and also, we were-- the sound is incredible in this amphitheater. congratulations. also, there was no tweeting back then. >> right. >> no questions by tweet. we talked a little bit yesterday about the many definitions of the word grace and this is a week of expansively taking that on. i wanted just to read a few lines from imani's new book called "breathe" which we will discuss in a few minutes where you actually take on one definition of grace and we may come back in the conversation. in the catholic tradition there's a form of grace,

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