andr guimar es is the executive director of the amazon environmental research institute, he's based ingave me his reaction to the leaders not managing to agree on a joint deforestation plan. on one hand. i'm a bit frustrated because of the lack of of concrete targets and concrete goals in the document that was signed yesterday. but on the other hand, it represents an initiation of of a dialogue amongst these leaders that haven't sat around the same table for 1a years. so i think i still have a hope that these documents can serve as as a driver for for bringing the commitments to the table and bringing the civil society, the private sector, the financial sector, to work together with governments to reach the objectives of that document. we have to stop deforestation. that's a challenge. and we can't stop deforestation by ourselves. only brazil, only colombia, only bolivia. we have to work together to reach that objective. are you happy with the amount of input that local indigenous leaders are managing to have into this process? one of the one of the most important aspects of this sever