, which is definitely— about amazonian nato, which is definitely a comment that insinuates thatsistance. — corporation, but they could use that assistance, and governments to look at themselves and their own role in amazon— at themselves and their own role in amazon deforestation and financing these _ amazon deforestation and financing these environmental crimes, because what we _ these environmental crimes, because what we see — these environmental crimes, because what we see very often is the lack of political — what we see very often is the lack of political will or capacity, governments and law enforcement teams _ governments and law enforcement teams go — governments and law enforcement teams go after the low hanging fruit. _ teams go after the low hanging fruit, which oftentimes are people living _ fruit, which oftentimes are people living in— fruit, which oftentimes are people living in the amazon which are basically— living in the amazon which are basically absorbed by these economies. these forces have cheap labour— economies. these forces have cheap labour can _ econom

will be discussed actually today -- for example, we heard some of the presidents speaking of amazonian natoomment that insinuates they are one regional cooperation, but they can use technical assistance and use governments to look at themselves and their own role in deforestation. what we have seen very often is by the lack of political will, governments go after low hanging fruit, which oftentimes are people living in the amazon, native to the amazon. but this forces of cheap labor can be easily replaced. what is necessary now is that law enforcement goes after the financiers of deforestation, living in the capitals of amazon countries were even reside abroad. so far they've remained untouched. maryam: interesting food for thought there fthere. bram and mercedes, been such a pleasure to have you on the program. thank you for your time. mercedes: thank you. bram: thanks for having us. maryam: let's stick with the subject of climate and turned to portugal, one of the country that experienced extreme heat and forest fires in july. august has seen no let up. the fires are raging in the central