amera was the country that coed thephrase, to make money, earning money, productivity. that's what this country is all about. but we see many on the left glorifying dependence and delm n delmonizing independence. this is economy 101 when you force people to pay higher-than-market wages, the result is less production. it's low-skill jobs that give people that foot in the door. the left want to keep peop dependent on the government. >> bob, tell me how this helping the lower end of the income scale -- >> i don't know where to start. put it this way. neither of those two, particularly jonathan, never had to work over 40 hours a week in his current job -- >> that's untrue, bob. >> how do you know that? what are you talking about? >> jonathan, maybe you work 80 hours. that's fine. but my point is if you take somebody on minimum wage in this country and they work a 40-hour workweek, they're in the poverty level. what they do in order to make up for that, they work a lot of extra hours in order to feed their families. by bringing this thing up a little b, the minimum wage, tha