other than frank gaffney that's right the same frank gaffney who is the head of the american center for security policy the same one who tried to make the accusation that the muslim brotherhood was infiltrating c pac be a suit on so yeah gaffe he has got a history of attacking muslims making ridiculous claims and bachmann well she's fully jumped on to his crazy bandwagon but does not see that there were some republicans out there who decided to call bachmann out of her b.s. leading the outcry none other than john mccain i hope he's ugly and unfortunate or can be immediately brought to an end and put behind us before any further damage is done to a woman an american a genuine patriotism and love of country. now surely afterwards representative keith ellison who is muslim he spoke out against the fellow minnesota lawmakers theory comparing your accusations to those of the mccarthy era and help pointless they are. every time she sends out another letter she just regurgitate the same old tired stuff that doesn't amount to anything. well just the day after initially calling out bachmann went after allison t

cap, center for american progress institute policy study and cut a trillion dollars out of the national security budget over the next ten years, roughly $100 billion a year. in the first year you'd take us down to $472 billion for the core pentagon program, and that would be about the equivalent of 2006-2007, which incidentally was one of the highest spending years since world war ii, including all of the cold war. we'd only be cutting about 14%. dick cheney myself, and my boss colin powell at the time and george h.w. bush cut about 25%. this is not a draconian cut, even if it's done by se questation. >> you've warned about the industrial complex, nice turn of phrase there. is there any way out of it. >> well, dwight eisenhower is the man we should give credit to that. i don't know anymore. that's an excellent question. my former boss, colin powell, mentioned about nine months ago or something about us having created a industrial terrorism complex, and when you look at the homeland security budget, you look at $100 billion-plus for the intelligence community and ask what are we getting for it, a

center for security policy. its website is muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com. a man named frank gaffney. who says the muslim brotherhood is infiltrating every aspect of american to impose sharia law. his critics call him a conspiracy theorist. the southern poverty law center calls gaffney the anti-muslim movements most paranoid propagandist. says he wants to see credible evidence for the allegations made in the letters. in response, bachmann defends letters and repeats her view that a multidepartment investigation into potential muslim brotherhood infiltration into the u.s. government is not only necessary but of course beyond timely. we invited bachmann and the other four congressmen who signed the letters to come on the program tonight. our invitation stands it joining me now is james zogbe, author of "our voices." analex seats seitz walt, a staff writer. i read it and i got to say the things she cites as evidence to support her claim seem to tenuous or tangential that it really doesn't make -- to me, there's not really much evidence there at all. i know you've been digging into this. do you see validity about the claims she's making about deep penetration?

american. >> these attacks have no logic, no basis and no merit and they need to stop. >> congresswoman bachmann found abedin's alleged connections to the muslim brotherhood in a paper from a conservative think tank called the center for security policy. senator mccain calls the report scurrilous. >> these sinister accusations rest solely on unspecified and unsubstantiated associations of members of huma's family. >> congressman keith ellison, a practicing muslim, believes bachmann may have other motives. >> if you're not the right religion or background in some way in her judgment, then you're just suspicious. >> she is married to former congressman anthony weiner. >> now bachmann says her words are being distorted. in a statement she says her intent was to outline syria's national security concerns and get answers about the muslim brotherhood's access to top obama administration officials. terrell? >> tara mergener in washington for us. tara, thank you so much. we go to the supreme court now. justice scalia says reports that he is feuding with chief justice john roberts is are off the mark. during an interview on piers morgan tonight, scalia said they clash legally but not personally. >> you should not believe what you read about t

council on american islamic relations welcome back to the program tom good to see you thanks for joining us we're of the claims like this even come from well they come from the center for security policy a gentleman named frank gaffney who we term as sort of the source of conspiracies among these a lot of folks gaffney most recently pretty frighteningly called for a new house un-american activities committee which everyone knows that was the thing that propelled mccarthyism. gaffney is also very famous for implying that a new military insignia that had a crescent thought it was a sign that shari'ah was creeping into our country and taking over so those are the kind of conspiracy theories he pushes unfortunately because he was an advisor to michele bachmann's campaign he was able to get access to her ears and you see the results where they write these letters to different inspectors general of various administrative departments calling for investigations of whom i have a dean and other loyal honest patriotic american muslims do i remember correctly that brother the norway mass murderer was quoting or citing frank gaffney he cited frank gaffney several times yes so again that's the kind

center for security policy. pretty serious sounding name. its website is muslim brotherhood in america.com. the man who runs the group is frank gaffney who says the muslim brotherhood is infiltrating every aspect in american life in order to impose sharia law. the law center calls gaffney, i quote, the anti-muslim's movement most paranoid propagandist. he was pointing fingers of suspicion at norquist. who's married to a muslim woman. gaffney was actually not allowed to go to cpac one year because of these allegations. this is not the first time bachmann has relied on questionable sources. you may remember two years ago, right here on this program, congresswoman bachmann made some pretty outrageous claims. about the cost of a trip president obama was taking saying it would cost taxpayers $200 million a day. it wasn't true, totally false. and it turned out the source of her unsubstantiated claim was an indian news report that quoted an anonymous indian source allegedly in indian government. how an official would even know how much the president of the united states trip costs doesn't make sense. among this cast here, all of whom we've asked to come on the program, bachmann is not the only one who has the hi

previous capacity as the cofounder of the center for a new american security, a new think tank that is doing excellent work with developing national security defense policy. she served in previous administrations as principal deputy secretary of defense for strategy and threat reduction and is now chair of the advisory group of the obama hype reelection campaign. bridge williams then, ambassador is a nonresident senior fellow at the parkinson's to touchÉ now on leave to the campaign to governor romney. he recently found strategies group in chicago, previously he had a number of distinguished responsibilities in both the reagan, george h.w. bush and george w. bush administrations. first the special assistance to the president and deputy to the chief of staff and in the white house for intergovernmental affairs. as many diplomatic posts have included ambassador to the united nations in geneva, assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs and most recently as president george w. bush's national envoy to sudan. he is also a longtime member and i think now vice chairman of the tours at the international republican institute. so, we are

capacity as the co-founder of the center for a new american security, a new think-tank that is doing excellent work in the field of developing national security defense policy. she has served in previous administrations as the principle deputy assistant secretary of defense for strategy and threat reduction and she is now chair of the national security advisory group of the obama/biden re-election campaign. rich williamson, ambassador, is a nonresident senior fellow at the brookings institution, now on leave, to the campaign for governor romney. he founded the -- recently founded the salisbury strategies group in chicago. previously he had a number of distinguished responsibilities in both the reagan and george h. w. bush, and george w. bush administrations, first as special assistant to the president and deputy to the chief of staff, and in the white house as assistant to the president for intergovernmental affairs. his many diplomatic posts have included ambassador to the united nations offices in geneva, system secretary of state for international organization affairs, and most recently, as president george w. bush's special envoy to sudan. he is also a

capacity as the cofounder of the center for a new american security, a new think tank that is doing excellent work in the field of developing national security and defense policy in previous administrations as the principal deputy assistant secretary of defense for strategy and threat reduction, and she is now chair of the national security advisory group of the obama-biden reelection campaign. rich williamson, ambassador, is a non-resident senior fellow at the brookings institution, now on leave to the campaign for governor romney. he founded the -- recently founded the sals bury strategy -- salsbury's strategy group in chicago. previously he had a number of distinguished responsibilities in both the reagan, george h. w. bush, and george w. bush administrations, first as special assistant to the president and deputy to the chief of staff and in the white house, as assistant to the president for intergovernmental affairs. his many diplomatic posts have included ambassador to the united nations if geneva, assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs, and, most recently, as president george w. bush's special envoy to the sudan. he is also

also as the co-founder of the center for a new american security, a new think tank that is doing excellent work in the field of developing national security and defense policy. she served in previous administrations as a principal deputy secretary of defense strategy and direct reduction. she is now chair of the national security advisory group of the obama-biden reelection campaign. rich williamson, ambassador, is a non resident senior fellow at the brookings institution now on leave to the campaign for governor romney. he founded the strategies group but at the chicago. previously he had a number of distinguished responsibilities in both the reagan, george h. ush and george w. bush's administrations. in the white house as assistant to the president for governmental affairs. his many diplomatic posts including the ambassador to the united nations in geneva, assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs and most recently, as president george w. bush's envoy to the sudan. he is a long-term member and now vice-chairman of the board of directors of the international republican institute. so we are very glad to welcome both rich and michel

also as the co-founder of the center for a new american security, a new think tank that is doing excellent work in the field of developing national security and defense policy. she served in previous administrations as a principal deputy secretary of defense strategy and direct reduction. she is now chair of the national security advisory group of the obama-biden reelection campaign. rich williamson, ambassador, is a non resident senior fellow at the brookings institution now on leave to the campaign for governor romney. he founded the strategies group but at the chicago. previously he had a number of distinguished responsibilities in both the reagan, george h. bush and george w. bush's administrations. in the white house as assistant to the president for governmental affairs. his many diplomatic posts including the ambassador to the united nations in geneva, assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs and most recently, as president george w. bush's envoy to the sudan. he is a long-term member and now vice-chairman of the board of directors of the international republican institute. so we are very glad to welcome both rich and miche