foushat from the magna carta through the founding, throh ate laws, through weems, which was in 1910, through trop later ith century, that throughout all of that, both the english, american colonies, this court has had some form of proportionality in their eighth amendment jurisprudence. you're asking us to ignore all of that history. ms. evangelis: no, we're not, justice sotomayor. what we are saying is that this case doesn't implicate proportionality. we're not asking the court to take a position on whether it's a proper inquiry uerhe eighth amendment. for example -- justice sotomayor: oh, yes, yes, you are, b you're saying that the only thing that's prohibit bthe eighth amendment is the form of punishbut, in those cases and in our history, we have said that cepunishments, trop, for example, can't be do. ms. evangelis: that's right. and the court has always lat if a particular punishment is considered too ere or categorically so as in the death penalty in some cases, trt looks at whether a lesser punishment wou bacceptable. again, it's looking at punishment. and that's where the inquiry focuses. here, only what -- what the respondents are asking this court to do is to