happen at the state level, but if people insist on it through electoral means or whatever, the american populace activated to this issue than i have ever seen it in my lifetime. >> kimberly, there are people upset about the lack of charges against the try officers. do you think the officers should have been charged with manslaughter or murder? >> i absolutely think they should have and could have, and that the selective credibility that the a.g. gave to one witness as opposed to nearly a dozen others who said that they did not hear the police announce themselves shows us that there is subjectivity involved in evaluating the evidence. i mean, we're not going to know for certain what the grand jury was presented with until and unless it's, it's released. >> marilyn, five years ago you prosecuted police officers in baltimore in the freddie gray case. none of them were convicted. can you speak to how hard it is to get a conviction against law enforcement, and do you understand the frustration that so many people are feeling today? >> well, i can truly speak to the frustration of so many people and a

but that was managed so well by temperate american presidents and temperate american populaces that there happened -- what happened and what september 11th signaled was the return of asymmetrical threats -- pandemic, the role of terrorism, as i say, globalization, which it shifts power, has less attention to borders than we were accustomed to in the 20th century. and so what september 11th means beyond the remarkable and sad human loss of innocence on that day was a beginning of a resurgent era of threats that are ever harder to combat because they are asymmetrical. it's disease. it's terrorism. it's populism. there are forces that shape us and are very hard to manage. >> well, we're thinking of the loved ones of all those lost on what was still the worst day in modern times. jon meacham, thank you very much for for filling this role after the week we've had. thank you for coming on. >>> coming up for us, after days of silence, the president tonight finally mentioned the herculean effort to fight the wildfires in the west. it was just this tweet, but it's a mention. an update on the fight

. >> joining us from pittsburgh is the author of the great revolt inside the populace coalition, the american politics, she's a contributor to a more other publications of the washington examiner and the new york post in a cnn contributor, we thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> let me begin with a piece that you wrote a few weeks ago, were seen more demonstrations in chester new york after the death of daniel crude in kenosha, wisconsin, my question based on reporting, how are these riots and demonstrations playing out in states like wisconsin, pennsylvania, ohio. >> as we know there is a difference between it or when something turned into destructive or disruptive to people's lives, i think a lot of people are very supportive of the concerns of people that are out there protecting but when they see businesses get destroyed, when they go downtown, whether they live in a suburb or in a city or town and they see things boarded up or they're out eating as what happened in pittsburgh last week and, or what happened in kenosha when protests turn violent, this made p

>> most certainly given the high mobility of the american populace. >> do you think people who shouldot be here at all are particularly mobile or there is a danger they could be over counted? i am under the impression that a lot of times they do. seasonal work. they may want to obey the law or leave the country. the think it is a problem with people who are here illegally? >> yes that is a big risk because people tend -- aliens tend to move or leave when they see in the press that there are enforcement efforts going on by the department of homeland security in their area. >> if we are worried about double counting and allow the census counting to go on into october, do you think disproportionately we will be over accounting illegal immigrants? >> i do not have enough -- i think that is a substantial risk. again theou explain effect of accounting illegal immigrants, what effect this will have on individual states who may be aggressively trying to recruit illegal immigrants, states that have a disproportionate high number, california being obvious one? states thateans is incentivize ill

american people. shared jackiene enthusiasm melrose's for sending da vinci's masterpiece to the u.s. it was not a popular idea with the french populace, and curators at the louvre and international art authority saw it as an act of american hubris, a preposterous an idea. the intricacies of the negotiations to bring the that ig here are a story hope you have a chance to look at, the wild capers that happened during the mona lisa's travels to the u.s. all the while, this was at the height of the cuban missile crisis. there was the intractable hostility of charles de gaulle, and major figures in our world. the story includes many complexities of the kennedy administration, that i will leave you to read more about. but the arrival of the mona coup fora political the administration illustrating the glory of art and culture of the west compared to the sterile art and life of the soviet regime during the cold war. and the gall -- charles de gaulle saw it a shrewd gesture of diplomacy during a touchy conflict over charles de gaulle's desire for an independent nuclear force in the face of fierce opposition by president entity. -- president k

host: our guest is the author of this book, of the great revolt, inside the populace coalition reshaping americans. our guest joins us from pittsburgh. tim is on the phone from asheboro, north carolina. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. how much have you looked at the cause of these disturbances. when a policeman puts his knee on a man snack. that is murder. -- i man's snack. that is murder. ck.a man's ne i don't think anyone is comfortable when they look at that. this aer argument is certain percentage of police officers that are just bad or they are not good. wants to get rid of a bad cop more than another police officer. host: david in denison, texas. caller: good morning. .ne of the things ad hominem attacks, i wish you could find a way to filter that. the president talks a lot about regulation and how regulations, getting rid of excess regulations help the economy. that, kind of tangential, would be how the trump administration defeated the isis caliphate in two years, taking over from obama's attempts. the obama administration had rules and regulations having to do with the rules of eng

populace. talk a little bit about that from the european perspective. that is something americansre. how this info use the putin's, using this crisis to actually reinforce their kind of majoritarian politics. i'm going to come to that just a minute and your sense about those invisibles who hold from the food, hold on the world during the pandemic and what they're doing. i completely agree on that. they were really supporting the rest of the earth and of the globe on their modest and humble heads. and again, there is a. [inaudible] and of course you know we trust wife said the world was sustained those humbles that they're doing in their thought, those who studied it. managing the world you prevented the world of deep creating itself. today, those who prevent the world from de- creation, there is a creation, those who prevent the world from de- creation are the social workers. and so on and so on. and this is, i agree, so much on that. and the more we can be aware of that, the better. those who take advantage of the pandemic, it is you are for sure. i happen to know him a little. a

this is about equipping the populace and matt, you mentioned an important thing i hope we get to which is also there needs to be a rebuilding of social trust among americans that will also act as a prophylactic. in countries where you have a lot, i think japan would be a difficult country to infiltrate with the disinformation because they're a strong country with a lot of social trust among its citizens. so that's what i would say and nina i'm sure you have more to add. >> i'll get to some of the investments that i think we should be making and kind of the citizens oriented space as i call it but the price i think that it's doing a good job is not awareness raising and kind of exposure elements but what asha was talking about is the department of homeland security, they're doing a great job i think. they had an interesting campaign about how disinformation works related to pineapple on pizza and tried to hit people against each other based on whether or not they liked pineapple on their pizza just kind of a silly example that drew people in and explain to them how that discord is created online area it's not necessarily about changing votes. it's about di

populace at the time? what was the population like? were they prepared for any sort of potential invasion, be it soviet or american?>> they were preparing for the invasion, again, drilling with the bamboo spears, drilling with ar army units, but at the same time ian was saying this in the previous segment, they had very little left in terms of -- the civilians had very little left. there was no fuel. food was scarce. one of the survivors -- in fact, the first survivors i ever heard a story from, he gave the acceptance speech when the international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons won the nobel prize for peace, she is a nearly lifelong disarmament advocate. when the bomb was dropped, she was a 13-year-old schoolgirl. they were in an army building in hiroshima, learning to use the japanese secret code machines. as she told me when we met, she said we had nothing. we had no food, we had no fuel, you had school girls learning how to use the secret code machines in advance of the invasion. so while both the occupation, the u.s. government confiscated a lot of that because it was inflammatory. they figured that if you

populace at that time? what was the population? like with a prepared for any sort of potential invasion beat soviet or american? >> they were preparing for the invasion, drilling with a bamboo spears, drilling with army units. but at the same time, and even with saying this in your previous segment they had very little left in terms of, the civilians have very little left. there was no fuel, food was scarce. one of the survivors in fact, the first survivor than i ever heard the full story from. sets echo thoreau gave the acceptance speech when the international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons when the nobel prize for pieced in 2017 she gave a speech, she is a lifelong discern minutes advocate. when the bomb was, drop she was a 13 year old school girl. she in 29 classmates wearing an army building here in hiroshima. they were learning to use the secret japanese cone code machines. sets eco told me when we met we had nothing. we had no food, we had no fuel. you had schoolgirls learning how to use the secret code machines and advance of the invasion. so while both was going on, both were happening, you had the

populace running for president today. >> i think that was a very common strain in american life. certainly that's the way my father felt in the way he talked about both government and business, that the need to be restraint on both which is what i believe. i think you can't let either government or business have too much control or authority or the left unchecked. i think there's a constant struggle in american history between those forces. >> did your mother and father think alike politically? >> no, i don't believe so. my father was raised a republican, very strongly so. my mother was always more democratic leaning. my father was very concerned, i think more of the fact that my husband was a democrat than he was from the south or a southern baptist or anything else about him. but my father also changes use as he got older and begin to moderate them somewhat esoteric according to a husband wholeheartedly. >> do you remember when you first got, the first political think annualized? >> my father was so interested. he would talk about politics, talk about what was going on. we foll