>> you say the word commission, americansk most cringe and say, what do we need a commission for? i think he makes a strong case that you have such a polarized mood between the national security and law enforcement absolutists and the digital privacy absolutists on the other side that it might be the only way to get the facts on the table. is there a likelihood of passage of legislation empowering the commission. -- commission? >> perhaps the commission has a better chance on making substantive decisions before the election, but the other point is, of course, when you are doing with congress, and more specifically with the senate when it comes to an issue of technology issues, it's always good to remember how not adopt at technology -- adept at technology a lot of people in the senate are. senator warner is unusual in the fact that he has a background in the technology sector, and he says things have changed since he was in the business. there are a handful of senators who still use flip phones and don't access e-mail on mobilize devices. -- mobile devices. move more broadly. what