we worked with them on the ameriquest case, household case, task force to deal with and prevent foreclosure. john ryan, their executive director is here. he has a great relationship party. party means nothing. and, you know, i keep trying to think of myself as a relatively young man. but i've been attorney general for 30 years. and during that time, i've had a lot of -- involved in a lot of multistates that work with the federal government, work with the federal government in a lot of ways. and have had good relationships and sometime not so good relationships working with the feds. that may surprise you. but it's true. but all -- of all that time, i've never seen such a wonderful , effective -- based on respect perelli and shaun donovan.with they treat us as equals. they roll up their sleeves. we get the job done as best we can together. it has been a model for federal-state relationships, the relationship we've had with them. and just going back for one second to the assistant attorney generals. the attorney generals offices over the last 4 1/2 years, since the mortgage meltdown in 2007,