mckesson's loss you mentioned quickly, people may have missed it amerisource burden loss, cvs, whichcare mart, take a look at all these names, maybe we'll have a board for you at some point, mck, and cardinal health, cah, all getting crushed. >> everyone was so wrong. mckesson was so abject when they say, listen, we've got to talk about what's happening here. they go over like generally speaking we anticipate pockets of increased competitive activity as part of normal business. what we've began to see is activity broader than expectations, more aggressive and across several areas of the u.s. pharmaceutical business. it's very rare you have management as candid as they are basically saying, listen, these guys -- we're really going into a dog fight. typically they start up as, hey, business is good, but no, this was like a very competitive atmosphere. we got to figure out whether politics played a role. did the drug companies not raise price as much as they would. >> and therefore they didn't benefit as much. or in fact while they hold the drug -- they own it and then they buy ahead an