today she's professor ameritus at uc santa cruz. she lectures and travels the world.the college campus at uc santa cruz. 40 years ago you were far removed from santa cruz. you were an active member of  black freedom struggle. >> well, actually, a little over 40 years ago i was teaching at ucla, and because i was fired from my position in the philosophy department there my whole story began. so you might say that it's trajectory from one campus to another campus with a lot of interesting, dangerous, exciting encounters in between. >> one of those major encounters obviously was, i think, the third woman in american history to be on the fbiee most wanted list. >> that's interesting because i had forgotten. i had actually repressed that fact, and i was speaking somewhere and someone introduced me as the third woman in history to have been placed on the fbi's most wanted list and everybody in the audience applauded. >> right. right. at that moment in history is almost like an honor to be pursued in that way because you were fighting for black liberation, no? >> but it wa

. >> sir ken robinson is a professor ameritus at the university of warwick and the author of severaleativity. >> you have three children, yes? >> mm-hmm. >> i'll make you a bet and i'm confident i'll win it. though i haven't met them. my bet is that they're completely different from each other. aren't they? >> yes. you win. >> exactly. the basic truth of the matter is that all children are different just in the way that all adults are different. human ability and aptitude and passions are tremendously diverse. >> despite that basic truth, america's education system approaches children as if they're all the same. it was originally designed to meet the needs of industrialism in the 19th century. and it hasn't really changed. if you think about it, our schools literally resemble factories. right down to the ringing bells that mark the beginning of every class. >> we educate children by age all the time. we have separate subject departments and divisions. all of these things are really organizational features which are in the interest of efficiency. they're not much to do with learning.