but ameshia?e floor is lava and trumpet is willing to take us all the way there and back. i feel like we have to really pay attention to why he has chosen certain people for the top positions in government, but in addition to that, the fact that he is on this anti- d.e.i. retribution train, saying he is going to give reparations to white people, i don't know where that came from, but if you are somebody who has been against civil rights since your birth, your someone who is going to fight to unravel them until you die. i feel like at this point, we are in an america that cannot afford to be dystopian, especially if you are a person of color, especially if you are a child of immigrants, especially if you are a woman, and unfortunately, all of those things weren't brought to bear this election cycle, and i think that is one of the saddest things that history will remember us for. foreign nations are afraid of what this could look like. trumpet made a pledge that he was going to get rid of a lot of t

tara and ameshia are back with me.is was, again, all too obvious for anyone who is following or watching the campaign. you think trump had convinced anyone, anyone across the political spectrum that he was genuine about not infusing his administration with project 2025? >> absolutely not. i think that most people knew, definitely those who cared about project 2025, but most people knew that donald trump was lying about his allegiance to and his acknowledgment of who was involved and how he aligned with some of the precepts of project 2025. people will say that they voted for the economy or they voted inherently about the price of eggs and things like that, but what we do know is on the campaign trail, donald trump was echoing sentiments of project 2025 live in real time without any of the others standing next to him. what we also know is you chose a vice presidential candidate who is now vice president- elect, jd vance, who is not only someone who is very friendly towards the heritage foundation, but somebody was also

is that when you are taking offense at or that you have fear around, ameshia? >> absolutely.ely correct on, the way that donald trump sees it and the way that his, you know, the people align himself with, that is the definition. i think that is a problem. operating is though donald trump is ronald reagan, as though he is george w. bush, george herbert walker bush, as always he is any republican president is ignorant and asinine and out of step the way donald trump has spoken about himself. >> last word to you, brendan, on that point, the fact that donald trump is none of those republican presidents ameshia just named. >> sure. i thought he was a terrible president. i never supported him. i don't disagree, but it does not change the fact our government is set up a certain way. back to the point, project 2025 , the president should be head of the executive branch is not a new idea. the hyperbole around project 2025 is about things that will likely never happen. it talks a lot about how to get rid of the department of education. i promise you in four years there will still be a

and ameshia cross, a democratic strategist and former obama campaign adviser. you with us. tim, i spoke to former trump campaign operative, i want to play some of what you said about transplants for revenge, i will get your thoughts on the other side, watch. >> there are actually lists that are being made, different lists, like there is a personal list where i am on top with michael cohen, there is a media list where rachel maddow -- msnbc is on top. there is the oj list where you have people like jack smith that is going to be on top. i mean, they have actual lists of people that they are going to go after. >> again, this is someone who worked intimately with trump for years. i asked them specifically about if you knew that you said you know it from people yet spoken to. you've got congressman donalds out here claiming there is no enemies list. your thoughts? >> yeah, with respect, i don't think either of them have any idea what donald trump the plans are for the doj, and so, i think we are going to have to wait and see and be vigilant i think there is somethi