. >> you came into office, and it was amess, right? there were questions about whether california was even governable. there was a $26 billion deficit, a big recession. and there's an expression, never let a good crisis go to waste. >> yeah. >> i'm wondering do you feel like you used that crisis to d things you might not have otherwise been able to do? >> well, we got things. so without that fiscal crisis, we probably wouldn't have had the fund. we wouldn't have had the cuts we made. and we might not have had the tax increase that proposition 30 was. so those were all things that responded to a clearproblem that presented real threats. but that's what governmentis. it's challenge and response. you get a challenge, and you got to respond. if there's no challenge, we'd all be asleep. there would be nothingo d but that was a particularly difficult period. millions of people lost their homes. millions of people lost their jobs. that was a very unusual period, and it did provide the stimulus for a lot of things weid later on. >> to what ext