. ♪ >> reporters jonathan allen and amie parnes are with me.hey have written a new book, "hrc: state secrets and the rebirth of hillary clinton." it tells the story of her political arc from defeated presidential candidate, chief diplomat, to presumed presidential nominee. they call hillary clinton's return while the greatest in history. jonathan allen is a political correspondent for bloomberg. amie parnes is chief white house correspondent for the hill. i'm pleased to have them at the table for the first time. i said you are the chief, i don't know if you are. how did this idea to do the book at this time, about from two different people? >> that's a good question. we both worked at politico and we were very fascinated and looking at her time in state. it not have been well covered. she has a press corps that traveled with her, but this is a woman who's going to be running for president. we wanted to look into what she did the last four years and see if she was papal bull, if she would pass the test, what voters would look at during her time

amie parnes is the chief white house correspondent correspondee hill. how did this idea to do this book at this time come about from two different people? >> that's a good question. so jon and i both worked at politico, as he said. we were very fascinated in looking at her time in state. it hadn't been well covered. sure, she had a press corps traveling with her, but we said this is a woman who was going to run for president. we wanted to look at what she did in the past four years, if she was capable, if she would pass the test and voters would look at her. >> we did a couple of stories together and found we had a real good flow going. >> charlie: how does that work? >> actually, we sit across the table from each other. we started at a starbucks in georgetown with two computers open and worked in google documents and i would write a few paragraphs and amie would edit them and i could see the edit happening in the file as it was going on and she would write a few paragraphs and say, no, i don't like that, let's a add th. >> charlie: you conducted some 2

jonathan allen and amie parnes, thank you. ted strickland is here. also served 12 years in the u.s.ouse representing ohio's sixth congressional district and recently became president of the american progress action fund. i'm pleased to have him here for the first time, shame on me. >> i'm so happy to be here. >> you have a phd in psychology. at a prisonunselor for over 10 years. >> i worked 20 hours a week at a maximum security prison in ohio working with some very seriously mentally ill inmates. >> did that give you insights into behavior? >> some of the most brutal, sadistic behavior. , mostf the kindest generous behavior i've heard in that maximum-security prison. >> he ran for congress. >> three times before i finally one on my fourth attempt. >> what does that say about your? >> i'm persistent. i ran three times. someone said if at first you don't succeed, you try again. there's no sense in being a fool about it. [laughter] run a fourth time. i want on my fourth attempt and i lost on my fifth. i want on may 6. then i decided to run for governor. >> it does not look good for the