it took nearly half a second to mention the amnesty. one of every four prisoners in the czech republic walk free. 6000 people altogether. and several cases were dropped. among those released were the heads of the company that cheated him. the ex-convict see the outgoing president as a hero. >> it is very nice. i thank you, mr. president, for giving me thisecond chae. >> he had already served two years and had one more to go, but now he is home. many of his countrymen are not happy about it. the president's speech has been met with widespread disbelief and outrage. the prisons may have been overcrowded, but the foreign minister says this was hardly an acceptable way to relieve the situation. >> it could have been limited to petty criminals and for crimes that would not have been punished with a prison stence in most european cntries but with house arrest or community service. it is just not acceptable for the republic's greatest scandals to be up here. >> then why did the president declared the amnesty? why did he take the risk of aliena

they talk about amnesty like it's a deviant seal practice. >> what i call backdoor amnesty. [ laughter ] >> jon: we've all applied for that. [ laughter ] no amnesty, fine. what would you do about immigration? >> as your congressman on the house floor i'll do anything short of shooting them. >> jon: anyone else? [ laughter ] >> i will build a double walled fence. >> 20 feet high. gonna have barbed wire on the top. it's going to be electrocuted -- electified and a sign on the other side that says it will kill you. >> jon: and the sign will be in english. [ laughter ] ah! that's why the events of this week came as such a surprise. >> a major breakthrough on immigration reform leading senators from both political parties to agree on a path to citizenship. >> jon: why the sudden change republicans, perhaps you looked into your hearts and realized people willing to risk worth and doing our least glamorous work are worth at least a little dignity. >> look at the last election we're losing the spin yak vote. >> jon: okay. that's a reason. not sure that's the reason you are supposed to say out

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are still for amnesty today.t's going to cost taxpayers of millions of dollars, cost american workers thousands of jobs and nothing but encourage more illegal immigration. that is congressman smith already denouncing any idea of comprehensive immigration reform. how do you get members of the gop in the house on board when they're already shooting down this idea? >> tamron, i hope that no one will ever have to hear the shrill scream i heard in my office when a mother fell down on the floor saying that we were going to try to help her college-aged student from being deported. this is a painful family issue of hard working individuals who pay their taxes, who are now looking for relief. i'll tell you the way that we'll be able to handle this, with the compassion and the understanding that we have no other place to go and with voices like senator mark rubio and we hope many more. i can't attribute to him a senator that promotes amnesty because he wasn't here in the united states congress but i also say to you that al

if republicans believe in amnesty, they should enact amnesty. the hope that this will deliver significant numbers of current democrat hispanics the republican party i think isis naive because the main reason hispanic support the democratic party is economic policies, not immigration. you have 62% of likely hispanic voters in ptember poll by fox saying they supported obamacare. this despite t catholic church opposition to the contraception mandate. so much for the social values. they support proposition 30 in california to raise taxes one upper income californians and to raise the sales tax because hispanics remain the lower vel of the economic ladr and they use government welfare programs at a veryigh rate.t . lou: i welcome this discussion. now being by the republicans one reforming our immigration laws. but i hope there is not a rush to judgment somehow loses across a vast sea of facts and realities that have been avoided by both political parties. the american people really need to understand what is happening the hispanic community needs to

de facto amnesty. this problem is going to go away. gerri: thank you both so much for your time and a lively conversation. now we would like to bring you developments are in the white house continuing its push for stricter gun laws. president obama along with vice president biden meeting with shirts from across the country, including newtown, connecticut, and aurora, colorado. he was hoping to get them onboard with his plan to limit high-capacity magazines and assault weapons. some parents of the victims have a different take on what needs to be done. the father of this 6-year-old told a legislative subcommittee hearing that there are more than enough gun laws on the books. >> i believe in simple and few thomas. we have more than enough on the books. we should hold people individually accountable for their actions and we should enforce i would say we are not enforcing them appropriate. gerri: hundreds turned out for the meeting and he got a standing ovation. and a senate bill was passed two weeks ago,

amnesty, not obama. >> let us remember that cubans get automatic amnesty for just arriving on our shores again, marco rubio is not actually the best person to do that. >> john: the asylum kind. that's the sacred loophole. is it a good sign that fox and rush are acknowledging they are not just propaganda, they're a legitimate wing of the republican party. >> it is one of those things that everyone knew so much anyway. it is like when lance armstrong comes out. i cheated. we know. we've known for awhile. but like no one's gone to -- >> a neutral view on this issue. >> george michael's gay? >> i think the g.o.p. is a functioning wing of fox news, you know. the tail is wag the rabid elderly, overweight dog. >> john: david krum came out and said fox news has gone from being a part of the republican party to running the republican party. and doesn't that hurt them? doesn't the does not outrage cycle of fox news serve to image nallize the g.o.p., get off my lawn whippersnapper party? >> it hurts the g.o.p. >> fox only needs two million people to tune in every night. the g.o.p. needs oh, i don't

does it look like amnesty? is there a high-tech component where we allow more people to come in, study here and stay here? what's in it? >> it has three or four major components that have been described that way, really, since the middle part of this decade. one is tougher enforcement on the border. he could is tougher enforcement in the workplace. with some kind of electronic high-tech system to clarify and identify whether people are here legally before they work. some kind of guest worker program, critical to bringing in business. some kind of high-tech -- increasing the number of people who are here, who can come and stay if they get advanced degrees and finally a pathway to citizenship or as conservatives would call it, amnesty. the politics are very similar now to 2006. just as in 2006 we see a broad coalition developing with labor, chamber of commerce and church groups. and people forget in 2006, almost two dozen senate republicans voted for a bill that included all of those elements, including a pathway

now exactly do you define amnesty? >> amnesty is allowing people who came in the country to stay in the country, not asking them to make that situation right, not asking them to pay those back taxes. i think that what we need to do is very carefully look at what this pathway is going to be. we have to make certain that there is not going to be an amnesty that encourages more amnesty and whether it was reagan or others. what we have seen is amnesty proposals that did not accomplish what they were supposed to accomplish. so let's learn from all of those lessons and let's do it right this time. >> so congressman, you were on "face the nation" over the weekend and asked to comment on what the republican party did wrong in 2012. let's take a listen. >> i think that the thing that we did not well was to penetrate the marketplace with our message. we didn't have a broad enough basis using social media, using an all the different media format that is are there. >> so looking for the support of the republicans in the past three

in reality, what's been created is a defacto amnesty.have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. i think everyone agrees that it's not beneficial for our country to have these people here hidden in the shadows. let's create a system to bring them forward, allow them to settle their debt to society and fulfill the necessary requirements to become law-abiding citizens of this country. this is consistent with our country's tradition of being a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. i'd like to read senator lindsey graham's brief statement. he says, i hope the third time is a charm. i've enjoyed working with any senate colleagues in drafting these principles and believe we're off to a good start. bipartisan immigration principles represent a real breakthrough on substance and i hope seen as a breakthrough for a political coalition to finally solve our immigration problems. t

he signed amnesty. in late 1980s. it turned out amnesty was achieved. no enforcement.ve 11 million new illegal immigrants. reagan said one of the biggest mission takes of his presidency. >> bret: the politics has changed, obviously. fox news poll asked the question about government policy toward illegal immigrants should be pathway to citizenship. 66%. there were hurdles that you had to get through. much like this bill. mara, the demographics are changing. >> the tem graphics are changing. everybody was unbelievably candid about this. i asked why now? why does vit a good chance of passage? john mccain and schumer and everybody. because of the election. when the republicans lose 3 to 1 with hispanic voters who are only going to be a larger share of the electorate they have to do something different. they decide to drop the opposition to what used to be called amnesty. now john mccain and marco rubio say we have de facto amnesty now. we want to get people legal and do in a fair way to people waiting in line. there is not a line for people who have no family in the united

it is the fact no amnesty.t is a reality that is being recognized, apparently now by both parties. lou: that is an interesting point, and it undercuts the notion that illegal aliens living in the shadows. in fact, this is not so onerous of conditions. a problem with official amnesty is the moral hazard problem. that is, it acts as a magnet to people who are considering coming in because they know that if they just did in the border at some point they will gain official legal status. lou: and the issue of bringing and attracting more illegal and rents and the number of 11 million which we are using here tonight, that rises to 20 million in some estimates. what is your estimate of the number of illegal immigrants in this country? 40 percent of films are presumed to be over staged on vises. also about 80 percent originating from mexico, central america, south america. >> the vast majority, of course, the biggest block comes from mexico. and we have a very close relationship, but it's also a problem that we have a

. >> i have not and will not support any blanket amnesty. >> i don't support amnesty. i don't support special benefits. >> essentially granting amnesty to many illegals is outrageous. >> and amnesty, and many of them need to be sent back. >> you will notice that ending with senator mccain which is interesting, because before he would support it. he was against it there, but before that he was for it. in 2005, he worked the late senator ted kennedy on an immigration bill that was backed by the bush white house and included what critics called amnesty, only then, mccain and others weren't calling it that. >> i think we're off to a good start on immigration reform. >> i'm not running to do the easy things, so i defend with no reservation our proposal to offer the people who harvest our crops, tend our gardens, work in our restaurants, care for our children, and clean our homes a chance to be lool citizens of this country. on the issue of illegal immigration a position which -- which -- a position which obviously still provokes the outspoken opposition of many conservative

, straight up amnesty, he didn't get the 30% of the latino vote. so it's not a pathway for us to get more votes. republicans need to be very cautious about that. >> i want you that stand by real quickly, though, because i want to show everybody, we just got this video in, senator john kerry's nomination for secretary of state, unanimously approved by voice vote on the senate foreign relations committee floor during the meeting that they had today. so that is moving forward now. the full senate expected to vote on kerry's nomination later today. but, again, smooth waters there for what looks like to be the next secretary of state, john kerry. so, again, that vote coming up this afternoon. we do want to move on, though, and talk about who will now be considered the former secretary of state after the vote this afternoon, hillary clinton. she had an opportunity to speak about what it's like to be living in such a bipartisan world of washington, d.c., right now. again, her farewell week has been really one of high aplomb, but take a look at this. >> bu

so many things to do that we don't have to hold hostage next to amnesty.ove forward on what we agree on. lou: when i hear the word "comprehensive" these days, after years of the debate, this struggle, i sort of, you know, i just say, please, just talk straight. no gamesmanship, no politics. a public policy that will help the estimated 11 million, we know it's more than that, but 11 million people in the country who deserve that opportunity. your thoughts of how to go forward here? >> go forward putting prerequisites dealing with the 11 million. enforce border security, have a u.s. exit program so we know when people leave, they come in, they leave. we also have to have that e-verify, and we have to have that enhancement of knowing, you know, who we are employing, but we also got to have temporary worker program. we're never able to fill the needs we have with a visa system that's broken if we don't have the visas needed. we don't want to disadvantage americans. lou: let's take a quick break. we're going to come back. i want to take up the issue of why is t

amnesty. >> i have never will and never have supported efforts for blanket immigration amnesty. >> i don't support amnesty. i don't support special benefits. >> essentially, granding amnesty to many illegals is outrageous. >> amnesty. many of them need to be sent back. >> that ended with senator mccain. that's worth noting because before he was supporting a plan that would allow illegal immigrants already here to stay. you see there he was against it, but before then, he was for it. back in 20005, he worked with the late senator ted kennedy on an immigration bill that was backed by the bush white house. it would have included what critics call amnesty, only then they weren't calling it that. >> we're off to a good start on immigration reform. >> i'm not running to do the easy things, so i defend with no reservation, our proposal to offer the people who harvest our crops, tend our gardens, work in our restaurants, care for our children, and clean our homes a chance to be legal citizens of this

in reality, what's been created is a de facto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. >> a few of the bullet points, under the framework, those seeking citizenship would be required to register with the federal government, settle debts with the government including fines and back taxes, undergo a background check and learn english and american civics. yesterday, marco rubio in florida sought to win over conservatives opposed to any deal with threats of amnesty. >> there are over 11 million workers undocumented. that's not something any wanted to see happen. it is what has happened. we have an obligation and need to address the reality of the situation we face. i think today is an important first step in what's going to be a significant complicated journey. the issue of immigration is not a simple one. we have the opportunity to do it right and if we do, i thin

would tie amnesty to enforcement. that promise has never been fulfilled, and those who have been am in -- amnesty have buttd in front of the line and loaded ode down the system and increased the waiting time and processing for people who honestly -- was washington is telling them, they're chumps for respecting the rule of law. >> we'll leave it there. good to see you. >>> the call to arms to stop arming egypt. senator rand paul is here, and a deadly twister rips through georgia. the >> come on. get over here. >>> protests raging in egypt amid warnings the country could collapse. still lawmakers in washington killing an amendment that would have banned the transfer of fighter jets and tanks from the u.s. to that nation. rand paul, the senator behind that amendment. senator, thanks for joining us. the amendment failed today. tell us about the amendment. what were you trying to do? >> this amendment would have stopped the transfer of f-16s and tanks to egypt. you have seen those pictures of tens, if not hundreds of thous

republican administration it was derailed out of complaints about amnesty. the idea being that illegal immigrants in this country would be allowed to stay and not have to be held accountable for the law that they have broken. that is the debate that's unfolding right now. and today the lead democrat of this measure, new york senator chuck schumer talked about it in terms that will have some concern for amnesty. opponents because, in effect. amp the hurtles are cleared. they would be allowed to stay. watch. >> immediately, when the bill passes. people who are here living in the shadows, would get a legal right to stay here and work. they would no longer be deported provided they don't have a criminal record. >> well, supporters say that that provision that they don't have a criminal record in addition to a background check, in addition to paying fines, paying taxes and going to the back of a whole series of lines, be it for work or residency or ultimately a green card and citizenship means that it's not amnesty. that's going to be debated once again aprogress

are republicans changing their definition of what constitutes amnesty so that the amnesty is just a freeide with no sort of earned path? >> i think that it's possible that you're going to see people on both sides of the aisle avoid the term amnesty because it is so politically charged. but the idea that citizenship under any circumstances is a free path is just not accurate. the reality is that it's quite expensive at minimum and lengthy. so on average it's quite a lengthy process and once one becomes a legal permanent resident you have five to seven years to wait so i don't think that the idea that there is some sort of free and clear and easy sort of yellow brick road for people to move from undocumented status to being american citizens is quite accurate. >> janelle, the republicans that i've talked to have actually been looking at the plan that came out of the senate and have said that all looks good. the problem is very few of them believe that sort of the meatier parts are going to be enforced. did you hear anything today from the president that you think maybe spoke to those conce

would tie amnesty to enforcement. that promise has never been fulfilled, and those who have been am in -- amnesty have buttd in front of the line and loaded ode down the system and increased the waiting time and processing for people who honestly -- was washington is telling them, they're chumps for respecting the rule of law. >> we'll leave it there. good to see you. >>> the call to arms to stop arming egypt. senator rand paul is here, and a deadly twister rips through georgia. the >> come on. get over here. thyou eat less...ing weiyou lose weight.et. it's a great plan... until you get hungry. that's the time to take slimful. one tasty 90-calorie slimful and a glass of water satisfies hunger for hours making it easier to eat smaller meals, and resist snacking. your friends might think you found the secret to losing weight. but it's no secret... it's slimful. eating less is a beautiful thing. >>> protests raging in egypt amid warnings the country could collapse. still lawmakers in washington killing an amendment that

powers i'm sorry i putter you in a tough spot. >> amnesty to way around. >> amnesty is pretty radically different from what you believe. >> bill: i did point that out. everything else you agree with me. >> what other i haven't said anything. >> bill: gun stuff. >> i don't agree with you. i think it should be federal. there are 32 states that still have this gun show loophole where you don't have to get a background check. that's what the universal background checks would be closing that loophole. >> bill: crossing the border already signed. >> i support that. >> 50% support a ban on high capacity magazine. >> bill: ladies it, it comes down to this. each state decides what kind of weaponry is legal. the federal government says you can't cross state lines with certain types of guns. that takes it all away. >> we should be presenting the stun dangerous guns from getting into dangerous hands. we should be preventing that before crimes happen rather than after. >> bill: 300 million guns already on the street. you are not going to prevent dangerous guns from getting dangerous hands. you are n

they favored amnesty before, and they favored amnesty now.quite frankly it will save taxpayers billions of dollars because they will have to fit the bill going to be benefits going to these. it will cost american worker thousands of jobs competing with individuals who they haven't had to compete with before and will drive down their wages and encourage illegal immigration because people will figure it will be eligible for the honesty. we ought to be enforcing immigration laws and not rewarding those who break them. liz: is it that this is basically amnesty 2.0, the president reagan plan? what do you make of that? >> that is exactly what this is. they're relying upon this administration which has not been enforcing immigration laws so they decide they're going to enforce immigration laws and the provisions will always be tied up in court meanwhile amnesty will be implemented immediately. this may be good for citizens of other countries but it is not good for american taxpayers and not good for american workers. liz: a path to citizenship. sayi

one is to get past the toxicity of the "a" word, amnesty. and the president and the democrats really need to sell, as the senator mentioned, this is not amnesty. it is earned citizenship, involving the back taxes, fines, having to learn english, and to get in line behind legal immigrants. >> and one of the things chuck schumer pointed out this morning on "morning joe," is that if you actually applied that you get -- you go to the front of the line, ahead of people who never tried to take the legal path. >> right. but the challenge for the republicans, they have to sell this within their own party. not as amnesty, but they just need to make a very practical case -- >> a political argument. >> this is good for their party. it gets them on the right side of demographics. it gets them on the right side of how america is changing, what the people want. i saw an associated press poll that showed that 62% of americans favor some path to citizenship. so they need to sell it that way, as a way for the republican party to maintain their standing as a

basically just a rehash amnesty version of the. >> translator:.nk it is dead on arrival and am hopeful that republicans we will hold t line and resist amnesty. lou: well, i don't persally understand how we could not witness the republican party and democrats. the itsy backs, to be fair, does not provide for citizenship. provides a pathway, if you will, for legal status with some rather strict conditions. >> well, because amnesty is anything that gives the illegal alien what he is stolen from the united states, whch is a presence in the united states. >> kind of a child you. >> hold on. the edgy backed gives you basically a green card forever. permanent residence status forever. even though you don't get citizenship, you get to stay here forever. now, the question of stealing, if you are giving someone lawful presence wch they did not have to wait in line. lou: i have to get him in here. i appreciate you. time constraints. youreaction to bth of these legislative -- >> i mean, as a piece of legislation, of very solid step toward. practically zero un

he turned around and passed this -- did this illegal dream act amnesty, by executive action, after 3 years of saying he did not have the power -- then he turned around and bludgeoned the republicans and tried to drive this wedge between the latino voters and the republican party, suggesting that immigration roles are anti-latino. so say, we are going to sing and pass a big amnesty bill when the administration says they don't care about future law enforcement means there is no basis for meaningful legislative action -- >> we don't have to do an amnesty. let's pass on what we agree on and stop throwing rox [overlapping dialogue] >> jamie: i am up against a hard break. but i like the idea of getting something started that everybody can agree on. thank you so much for your thoughts today. appreciate your time. >> a big election coming up in israel, what it means for them and for us, straight ahead. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announce