let's bring in amy bock. now she's the executive director of united policyholders. that's the san francisco based nonprofit that advocates for consumers. amy, nice to have you back on the program. so is this a one off like that family we just talked to, or is this a sign of the times? for a lot of people, it's a sign of the times. this crisis has been hitting people in the foothills areas and the, in the tahoe, all the areas where there have been wildfires. but it's starting to hit people in the suburban areas, hard. yeah, we're hearing, we're hearing we're hearing so much of this. are we seeing insurance premiums shoot up like this? why exactly is it just about fire risk? why are we seeing this, you know, i hate to say this, but a lot of it is due to the technology that is now available to insurers. the aerial images, the ai models , all of it is scaring them out of insuring what they've always been insuring. and that's part of the problem. so they're seeing more data that's concerning them and therefore they're reacting by raising our rates. is that right? that's e

amy bock with the united policyholders, thank you so much. and with climate change fueling worsening wildfires, one state is actually deleting climate change from all its laws. we'll dive into the new book that digs into climate change denial and the tactics decades in into law. that means climate change no longer need to be needs to be considered when crafting florida policy and state agencies no longer need to use climate friendly products. this move comes despite his state's vulnerability to the negative consequences of climate change. but desantis is hardly alone in denying what we have actually experienced acutely in the past half century global warming and the that and a lot of it's a hoax. >> it's a hoax. i mean, it's a money making industry. okay >> but it appears science denial has been going on a long, long time. well before ron desantis or donald trump in his latest book, the parrot and the igloo, new york times best selling author david lipsky explores how science denial became an ingrained part of american life. joining us live n