amy howe is exactly right. to the extent that judges suggest this is mechanical with the kind of balls and strikes metaphors or "i'm just a judge applying the law," they're hiding what is often gog, which is the exercise of judgment about what does a word like--" a phrase like "free and appropriate education" mean? >> woodruff: marcia coyle. >> i tend to agree more with pam because i think that senator durbin was trying, if you had if listened to the whole exchange, he was trying to find exactly that-- is this a judge who reads laws narrowly? in this particular case involving individuals with disabilities and education, the children, he focused on a word that judge gorsuch had in an opinion that appeared to narrow the standards for these children to get the help they needed in the-- in public schools or outside of public schools. so i think again this was an effort, even if not really direct and clear, to try to understand how judge gorsuch approaches the law. >> woodruff: now, in this final excerpt from today'

amy howe? >> i think they did. i think it was a little subdued in the morning, but i think senators whitehouse, klobuchar and franken tried the talk substance with him. >> woodruff: what do you think? >> i think there was not that much here that we didn't already know if you had been doing your homework and reading his opinions beforehand. i doubt this hearing will change anybody's vote on either the filibuster or the nomination side. but hopefully it educates the public about the sorts of issues that senators and judges deal with. >> woodruff: marcia coyle. >> the last point is what i agree with. they did the job they had to do in order to lay out for the american public what some of the concerns are with judge gorsuch's nomination. >> woodruff: all right. you all were terrific. and we've got more hearings tomorrow. witnesses will be testifying. amy howe, ilya shapiro, marcia coyle, pam karlan, thank you all. >> woodruff: tomorrow morning turn to our website and social media channels to watch continued live covera

amy: ravi, you had a grenell conviction how many years ago? >> in 2000. wire fraud. working for a mortgage lender. amy: how long did you serve in jail? >> 2.5 years stop i was under house arrest before i was sent. so three years was under house arrest that i went to prison for 2.5 years and i ended up in detention for two years. amy: they y wanted to do for you right after that, but t you fout and w won. >> i fought that time we have been fighting it since then. , my is where the legal team attorney and my legal team, has been saying this process and i use air quotes because the process itself was completely wrong. errors andnt to many the process. amy: i want to turn t to another case, speaking last month in houston, texas, after the father of two children was detained when he showed up for his annual check-in and almost immediately deported. >> my husband is not a criminal. my husband is a good man who works hard and provides for me and my children. already mamakes america great. you take him away from me, you have me going to welfare, food stamps. that is not the

amy: how did you pick up the banjo? washboard.ed the group i met there was a lot of other young seet kidsds. somebody gifted me a banjo. i learned in a very communal atmosphere, like laying around the campfire and learning a lot of american folk songs, a lot of appalachian n and blues songs. i learned in thahat way. amy: did you really hopped trains? >> i did, yeah. a lot of hitchhiking and train riding to get around. i was always with a group of kids. we were really just wanting to live on the outskirts of society, basically. we wanted to get in touch with an america we felt like was hidden. we wanted to be in touch with the lands, you know, just lived this very radical, romantic life, i guess. amy: political songs in music. are you satisfied with politics being expressed in music, or do you think it is not happening enough? >> i think it is just beginning. i felt like the last couple of years, as the black lives matter movement was growing, i was looking around at least folk singers around me and wondering where our v

amy: how did you find her?after i went to the hospital to try to understand what was happening and subsequently talked to people within the department of homeland security as well as within the hospital, we were told she would be moved to a hospital in dallas. suddenly, the next day, she was taken back. we are not exactly sure what happened. there are a couple of different discharge notes in her medical records. it seems the doctors decided that she was stable all of a sudden that day and released her back to immigration custody. they had scheduled and appointed an appointment for her the following monday. we were very concerned about the break in her health care, where she was going to have to go back to the detention center where the care is extremely limited. she is visited only once a day by a nurse in the detention center. she is receiving tylenol for a brain tumor. we did not know how urgently she needed surgery at that time. amy: she was in the hospital for eight days. no one knew where she was when she

. >> amy, how can the average person, you know, know if there are no symptoms? ould be tested for this? it's just lucky she was. how does the average person know if she should be tested. >> that is a very good question. we tend to rely on individual family histories as one of the key indicators as to whether or not an inherited disease runs in the family. but we're learning more and more that many people with inherited conditions don't have a family history that is appreciated. for example, we estimate that one individual in 280 will have lynch syndrome, this inherited predisposition to develop colon cancer or uterine cancer. that is a big number. a significant number of the families don't have cancer yet. so the way to approach this is to screen all colon cancers for the possibility of lynch syndrome or other inherited conditions. but to prevent cancer, we need to think about based on the recent data from the american cancer society, screening at a younger age. >> we did an interview earlier, last week, maybe two weeks ago with the american cancer society. my fa

amy: how have your classmates, your family, friends, people you don't know -- run the gamut press howple have responded to you, gavin. >> classmates havave gotten a lt of suppoport. teachers have gotten a lot of support. family come a lot of support. and people i don't know, i have been approached by at least one person who congratulates me and says how supportive they are of me. this is in my community and outside of it. i then thanked and congratulated. whereas i've never once had a public confrontation that was negative. juan: you are a senior and you will be graduating in the spring. where do you hope to go to study and what do you hope to do after college? >> i'm definitely pursuing higher education. after college, right now what career goal.is a i would like to be a geneticist. one day would be nice to have my own practice. amamy: what do you say to other --ng transgender people first of all, i mean, the supreme court -- i think i might've been a mixed message they ruled against you. that has not been the case at this point. there has not beeeen a ruling. what do you say to othe

amy: so how did he end up paying the amount of taxes he did? million donald had $103 of negative income. that may be a hard concept for people to get around. in tax law, you can have a negative income, just like her bank account to be overdrawn and yet the negative bank balance. donald negative income comes from a dubious tax shelter he bought in 1995. that allowed him to get out of a very big tax bill. donald did not pay back to his bankers $918 million that he borrowed from them. toinary people, they have pay taxes on this. if you borrow money from a bank and do not pay it back, that is taxable income according to the u.s. congress. donald out a tax shelter that turn into tax savings for him. congressrepublicans in learned about this tax shelter, they shut it down right away. it only took them a couple of days to shut it down. it was a credible how fast they moved in congress to do this. but as often is the case, our congress said, oh, those of you who already bought this dubious tax shelter, you can keep your ill-gotten tax savings. so donal

amy: we want to thank you for being with us, jocelyn avelica. how old are you? >> 19. y: can you see your dad in jail now? goneght now we have not to visit him. we can go, but because there is a case of the chickenpox right now so we have not been able to go. but as soon as that gets cleared up, we are going to go see my dad. amy: jocelyn avelica -- >> there's a a quarantine and te facility and that not lifted it. amy: there is a quarantine in the jails all of the prisoners like heard that are being exposed to this? -- theyve not had a have not let attorneys into the facility, either, so into a portion of the press -- facility where there is this quarantine. i will say joslyn and her family have been speaking to their father by phone regularly. he, rather than being totally , hased and depressed expressed to them how proud he is of them and how energized he is in the community and others inside watching the kind of mobilization that the community has put forward to defend him and to try to fight back against his deportation. amy: so he is brought into a sick facility an

hi, amy. how are you doing? nice to see you. >> how are you? >> great. >> hi, guys. i could get used to this. >> you haven't been here with our upstairs audience? >> this is my first time here. yeah, yeah, i'm almost never out of the house. [ cheers and applause ] >> hey, but when you are out of the house, you're very productive. you had one heck of a year. critic's choice, entertainer of the year. >> oh, wow, yeah. [ applause ] i made that award up. >> a star on the hollywood walk of fame. >> that was fun, yeah, yeah. >> you also had two golden globe nominations, as well. you've had a big year, and i was reading in my notes, and it said you failed high school drama class. >> yeah. i don't know. yeah, usually those awards are imaginary. >> how do you fail drama class? >> you can do it easily by never ever showing up. that's one way. >> you knew you had it already. you already had it. >> i was fast-tracking that out. >> you left out one very important thing too in this year, you made another baby. >> oh, yes, yes, i did. yes, yes, i did. [ applause ] >> and speaking o

i don't know how long it will take us to replace this law. amy: while trump initially blamed democrats, he switched his focus develop republicans over the weekend. on sunday morning, he tweeted -- sunday morning was that tweet. on sunday, ted poe resigned from the freedom caucus in protest of the group's opposition to the republican health-care plan. let ago is repoporting that the push to pass the legislation was harmed in part the cousin trump, unlike many congress members, did not appear to know that much or care that much about the details of health care policy. following his first legislative failure, trump warned that he is now going to let obamacarere exexplode. preses. trump: for the last year and a half that the best thing we could do politically speaking .sis let obamacare explode it is exploding right now. problblems --have e big almost all s states have big problems. amy: more on the republican's plan to repeal and replace the affordable care act, as well as a pushsh among a number of progressives and others for single payer, after th

amy: can youou talk about how yu got these two pages of his 2005 tax return? >> ozone palm beach on monday and i am my cell phone in hand and i were shooting pictures across the water of mar-a-lago because i'm working on a new trump biography, a second one. i have one out now. this one for simon & schuster. i got a text from one of my eight children who told me to call right away. herhad open the mail at home in rochester, new york, and here was this envelope with the two pages of text. admittedly begin -- i immediately begin to go to work on it so we could get the story out right away at dcreport.org. amy: talk about what you see in these two pages, what you u foud mostst signifificant. >>>> the most significant thingi believe is donald trump wants to eliminate the alternative minimum tax. most all affluent americans, people who own homes, have more than two children and lives in onh tax states are all alternative minimum tax. --ause of that, donald paid if he wants to repeal his taxes, he would have paid only $5 million of income tax on $153 million of incom

how long she spent in jail. >> 11 days. of my the 11 longest days life. i will never forget it. amyn you describe the conditions of your detention? where you are held the longest and what it was like in that jail? methe first time they took to the jail in vermont, it is a beingwhere no human should be because you're completely enclosed. it was a very small space. and it was practically torture. psychological torture. i had no contact with anyone. i was there by myself. just me and the darkness. it was horrible. i could hear the doors slamming all of the time. i could not see the other prisoners. i was without communication of any type. kike, your held separately from zully? >> yes, unfortunately, it was an ,ttack against the communities the new administration of donald trump. he is really attacking the immigrant communities. what happened to zully and myself and alex, who is still in gel, was a very sad experience. the way they are persecuted in the community and people who have no criminal records who are merely defending our rights, we believe in the values of the united states. w

amy: thursday's hearing focused less on the trump campaign's alleged dealings with russia and more on how russiaia used what e lawmaker described as propaganda on steroids to influence the election and to undermine the u.s. media. meanwhile, the "new york times" reports two white house officials met secretly with republican house intelligence chair devin nunes last week on the white house grounds to show him secret u.s. intelligence reports. nunes said the documents indicated trump or his associates might have been incidentally swept up in surveillance carried out by american spy agencies as thehey conducted foreign surveillance. on the day after the secret meeting, nunes, who served on trump's transition team, held aa news trump's transition team, -- held a news conference and then traveled back to the white house to supupposedly brief the president about the documents the president's own staff had given him. on thursday, the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee, california's adam schiff, responded to the revelations about the documents shown to nunes. >> erased the profo

amy: describe how they are each taken.ean, because the state government is not working with ice on this. they see their names if they're going to court or something and then they go there? alex's arrest on sunday when he was taken in front of his wife, ice may have gotten that information from the state court. we don't know. itthe case ofzully and kike, clear they were surveilling our office. these are keita prominent human rights leaders organizing for rights and dignity in this country who were taken as they were heading home after leaving the migrant justice office. juan: what is their status now? >> they're both being detained. all three are being detained at a detention facility in new hampshire. and we are organizing to demand their immediate release. as your viewers saw, 500 people tued out on three hour notice to call for their release. we have rallies planned around the state this week. and when boston ice director open up his computer this morning, he saw more than 4000 emails from supporters calling for the rele

amy: other documents outline how the cia has used the u.s.late in frankfurt, germany, as a covert base to spy on europe, the middle east and release totals close to web pages and 943 8000 attachments, which wikileaks says comes from the cia's center for cyber intelligence in langley, virginia. while the material was redacted by wikileaks to avoid releasing the actual computer code used in the programs, on thursday, wikileaks founder julian assange said the organization would be sharing some of the code exclusively with tech companies so they can fix the vulnerabilities in their software. on the campaign trail, now president donald trump once said he loved wikileaks. pres. trump: this just came out. this just came out. wikileaks. i love wikileaks. amy: but on thursday, white house press secretary sean spicer condemned the leaks, saying they threaten national security. well, for more, we go to san francisco where we're joined by cindy cohn, executive director of the electronic frontier foundation. we don't have much time, but if you can respond

how are people feeling down there. >> reporter: well, amy, there is some optimism here good morning.now shattering new records and investors here are optimistic about the president's message, in particular the tone he took in that joint session before congress especially when he had this to say. >> my economic team is developing historic tax reform that will reduce the tax rate on our companies so they can compete and thrive anywhere and with anyone. >> reporter: it's that pro-business message that lowering of taxes that anti-regulatory tone that president trump has taken throughout his campaign and now throughout his presidency that has helped send a number of stocks higher. it also pushed the dow above 21,000 for the first time ever and in particular we've seen strength among companies like apple, boeing and a number of financials, amy. >> so how does this surge impact average americans and their wallets? >> reporter: that is the question, right? everybody wants to know what this means for them. first off, only about half of americans even have any kind of money in the stock market

that suggests how concerned they were that the investigation might be compromised by it leaking. amy the fbi confirms its investigating the donald trurump campaign, the white house is attempting to distance itself from judah former top aides for general michael flynn and paul manafort, who both have established ties to russia. this is white house press secretary sean spicer yesterday. >> even general flynn n was a volunteer of the campaign. obviously, discussion of all manafort who played a very limited role for a veryry limitd amount of time. can he stop interrupting other people? jonathan, somebody is asking a question. it is not your press briefing. julie is asking a question. please call down. >> raising the president is aware -- not beeng that has grievously discussed. amy: marcy wheeler, better sean spicer trying to say, oh, this guy general flynn was just a volunteer and manafort did not spin much time with. >> right, and we have confirmation from one of eric's colleagues last night of details that had been leaking on the internet in the last two months about $750,000 that was

amy? >> yeah. how's it going? >> it's going awesome. looks like we're taking you to the mall. is that right, amy? >> yes. >> awesome. how you doing today? >> good. >> got a question for you. does it smell like cigarettes in here? >> uh, no, it actually smells pretty good. >> i've been vaping versus smoking with the cue vapor system for quite some time now. i was getting bad reviews, believe it or not. everybody was pretty upset about the smell, the ash tray smell. and with cue vapor, it's pretty sweet. i don't have that issue anymore. my ratings are going up. business is getting better. >> definitely does not smell like a smoker's car. >> i'm happy with the decision i made, and i'm happy with cue. >> non-smokers typically are more sensitive to the smell of cigarette smoke than smokers. when we were out recently talking to people about smoking and cue, we tried a fun little experiment. take a look. >> being a previous smoker, the smell is really offensive to me. >> cigarette smoke, it just goes through everything and sticks on everything. >> i've actually been married to a smoke

amy: give us a concrete example of how this would work.ething you looked up and how that will make its way to some company. >> right. let's say you are browsing the web and your visiting a gun auction site or a health care site, perhaps a site that expresses your political viewpoints. because you are visiting the site, your internet provider gets to see that you are traveling to those sites on the web. i think you're going to web m.d..com to look of a health condition, your internet provider sees that information. with repeal of the rules, it is possible that internet providers will see this as a green light to go ahead and sell that information about you to entities that might want to use it, for example, to track your monitor you for just two market arerelated goods to things interested in. amy: you're looking up something on addiction and they start to target you as perhaps someone who is addicted, or you are afafraid to start looking things up and getting vital information because of that very tactic? >> that is exactly right. american

here's nougs reporter amy hollyfield to explain how this would work. good morning, amy. >> reporter: good morning, reggie. what do you think? they're thinking outside the box up here in marin county. it's an interesting idea. it's gaining some traction. here's how it would work. the buses would be allowed to ride in the shoulders on highway 101. the problem on congested 101 for the buses is they are in the far car pool lane and then they have to cut across lanes of traffic to get to the bus stops on the other side. well, this complicates things for all the cars in its way. according to the marin "independent journal," the idea is to allow the buses to slowly drive on the shoulders, maybe 35 miles per hour, or at the most, 15 miles per hour faster than the traffic in the next lane. highway 101, though, only has shoulders in marin county north of the civic center so the bussed wouldn't get a smooth right all the way into the city, but officials think this would help make the bus trips quicker and could possibly attract riders. no word on when this pilot p

amy. >> oh, how we missed you, amy with those lines. heat us up with a little "pop news, "pop news." >> you got it. we begin with this. students at the london school of economics got their first look at professor jolie on monday. that's right. angelyne anyway jolie delivered her first lecture at the center for women, peace and security where she'll be teaching as an unpaid visiting professor and a nine-month-long masters course starting in september. she was nervous before the class telling "the evening standard" she had butterflies but it didn't stop her from giving a compelling lecture focusing on women's ryes and took time out to answer questions on the presentation and, of course, posed for a few pictures. >> wow. >> that's a big deal. so passionate about her work and still mom. >> she's committed. >> absolutely. >>> you can do lots of stuff in nine month, michael. you know whey meant. >> make a baby, we got it. >> a professor. >>> so it's a tradition for the star of movies to give out gifts when the production wraps and when that s