tea party express chair amy kramer joins us, nice to see you. >> hey, great to see you, greta, thankor having me. >> greta, obviously, many on capitol hill were pointing at senator ted cruz and senator mike lee, and using this term "tea party," because a lot of them consider themselves an adjunct of them, do you consider yourself a part of this move? >> no, it was the tea party who helped elect them. they definitely are conservatives. we are all in this together. you know, the attacks are coming at us. but greta, it is nothing that we're not used to. it has been going on for four years, and we're used to being called these names and everything blamed on the tea party movement. but you know what? that is what happens when they can't have a discussion on the issues. it is the personal attacks. you know, if obama care is so good, then let's have a discussion on the merits of obama care. but they can't do it. so what do they do? they resort to attacks. they accuse us of shutting the government down, but harry reid is responsible for shutting down the government. >> is the term anarchists

amy kramer of the tea party expresses, "ted cruz is new and he's a rock star.w than immigration." what happened to marco rubio? he hasn't been on a national television outlet in eight days. >> what happened to marco rubio was immigration reform. and a lot of the tea party base, conservative base, did not like what he was doing on immigration reform. and so he was -- >> he was banished? >> he was losing that momentum because of that issue. and i think he's standing back and watching, you know, what happens with ted cruz because ted cruz is getting a lot of attacks from republicans for his strategy. >> but that's the reason why this strategy in the house doesn't work. because you have moderate republicans who are going for cover. you have the republican candidate for governor in virginia flip-flopping now decide he's against the shutdown. it is hurting republicans. and it was amazing to me that that picture of the house con r conferees. talk about no diversity. >> well. >> no women, no -- you know, they're only -- but the reason that's important is because -- >>