amy lee copeland, a former georgia prosecutor, also with us two u.s. attorneys, joyce vance now a professor at the university alabama school of law and msnbc legal analyst, and hairy litman, former deputy assistant attorney general. he's a senior legala fairs analyst for the los angeles times. and gwen keys flemming let's begin with october 23rd. let's begin with the speedy trial situation we now find ourselves in, and i just want to begin by thank youing you for explaining to me the speedy trial rules of georgia many, many months ago, which in your explanation indicated the reason why district attorney willis was pausing or waiting as long as she did to bring the indictment because she knew she was going to be living under this speedy trial rule. what do you make of the latest developments today in the speedy trial motions and what the judge said about the speedy trial? >> well, the law in georgia is very clear. when a defendant asks for a speedy trial or makes a motion or makes a demand, he or she must be tried either in the term of court when the mo

suddenly she is saying trump doesn't have the right to to criticize an election. >> amy lee copeland,ney willis is saying? >> that's not what she saying. she saying i have a statutory duty to determine if there is probable cause. i think there is, i take him for a grand jury. if the jury, if the grand jury finds probable cause, then i seek an indictment. that's what she has done here. she did this both at the regular granary stage, but even before them. she got a special purpose grand jury. so no one can claim that this was rushed. that special purpose grand jury, heard 75 witnesses and consider documents over the course of months. so mr. trump has gotten twice as many procedural protections as most criminal defendants have. she doesn't decide whether or not he gets indicted. that's in the hands of ordinary citizens who step up and perform their duties. of all the states, only about 20 to actually require grand juries for felony indictments. is different in the federal system. but the states, about half of them require grand juries. georgia is one of those states. mr. trump was afford

we have andrew weissmann joining us with two georgia experts, gwen keyes fleming and amy lee copeland. there is so much to cover in defendant trump news that just keeps coming, but apparently we are not going to get that big moment on monday, where we were supposed to hear the trump defense for the first time. unfortunately. >> listen, lawrence, my monday is free and now apparently my april of the year 2026 is booked. >> don't be surprised if it happens before that, alex. >> okay, i won't be. >> thank you, alex. >> have a good show. >> thank you. imagine how terrifying donald trump, how terrified he has to be for him to follow the advice of his lawyers. that's how terrified donald trump is tonight. for the first time. the breaking not surprising news of the night is that donald trump was forced to announce that he will not be having a special press event on monday to, as he put it, refute the 13 criminal charges against him delivered by a georgia grand jury on monday. in a written statement tonight, donald trump said rather than releasing the report on the rigged and stolen georgia 20

amy lee copeland, i'm looking at that phrase, or relating to any act. so, it seems like there's some real hope for mark meadows in the language of this stature. >> lawrence, it's a low standard. he has to show it's more likely than not these three things are true, that he's a federal officer, he was acting in connection with that office, and he raises a colorful, federal defense. when i was in law school 31 years ago, i had a law professor that said, all the time, when you ask or anything, she would say, i don't know. it used to frustrate me to know and that having practiced as long as i have, a lot of questions are answered simply with, i don't know. i applaud judge jones for essentially saying in an order he doesn't know, and he wants some clarity about it. i will tell you, in civil matters, apparently, there is some case law out of other areas that says, if one claim is removable, then all claims are removable. that doesn't really seem to apply to federal cases. it may all depend on the difference between an overt act, a criminal act, towards the fin

. >> amy lee copeland, what about defendant chesebro? can he change his mind about the speedy trial? >> i think, lawrence, he's in. i think he is asked for it, i think he's going to get it, and as i have been waiting to say all day, the cheese stands alone. everyone's trying to distance themselves from chesebro's election. >> what about those defendants who want to sever from chesebro's speedy trial. what is the likelihood of them being able to sever themselves? >> typically defendants were indicted together get tried together. that's just attorney say, it's what judges say. it's interesting to read judge mcafee's order. it seems to contemplate that not everyone is going to be tried with chesebro. it's clear that at this time, this order applies only to defendant chesebro. the deadlines apply only to that defendant. i don't know if this is preemptive, whether this judge will entertain motions to sever, or if he's putting everyone on this docket now. that was notable language for me. >> harry litman, do you see any incentive for any other

. >> amy lee copeland, you use that adjective ingenious to describe this indictment. please expand on what you see that is ingenious about this indictment. >> sure. lawrence. good evening. the breadth of the indictment is large. there is no doubt about it. there are 98 pages full of details. in the indictment, though, it talks about the various schemes used to defraud georgia voters. it talks about the false electors. it talks about the attempted voting machine breach in coffee county, georgia. it talks about the harassment of the poll workers. the meetings that were going on in different states. the breadth of it is due to the rico statute which is broader than the federal counterpart. this allows the prosecutor to tell a story by present the pieces to the jury. >> amy lee common copeland, gwen keyes fleming, barbara mcquade, we have just gotten started. please stay in place. this is just the warm-up for the rest of our discussion of the george indictment for the rest of the hour. but coming up next, the one poll worth mentioning this week is not a presidential campa

amy lee copeland is a criminal defense and appellate attorney based in savannah georgia, also servedorney's office in the southern district of georgia. andrew weissmann served as lead prosecutor for special counsel mueller's office. coasting the prosecuting donald trump podcast. both join me now. all right, let's first your reaction to the april 2026. that seems good, seems fair reasonable. look obviously that is absurd. but you would expect the defense usually does not want to have a fast show. so it's really not to be folded. i do want to caution people that it is important to remember that as much as people want to see people held to account and have a trial. part of the rule of law mean says defense is entitled to prepare. and so i think really the issue for judge check-in. it will also be the issue in georgia. is essentially how much time do they need. in d.c., what is the delta of what they already had because of january 6th committee data dump. they had lots and lots of information. so donald trump's team is not starting. what is the uncommon, how much time do they really need

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joining us now is amite lee copeland, she is a criminal defense attorney and former georgia federal prosecutor. amyyou for being here. how does georgia's racketeering statute applied to the trump case? >> thank you, jonathan, for having me tonight. the georgia racketeering status applies to the trump case because, as you know, it is broader than the federal statue. georgia has 43 additional state crimes that are named as racketeering credited acts, so the basis for a racketeering charge, including in that list is the computer trespass felony and that is what the allegation is, that happened in the voting machines in -- county georgia, where the gop officials down there went in on looked at what was going. on the did not once, not twice, but three different times. and so that is one potential predicate back and even though it kurt in another county, as long as one overt act for rico occurred in folding county it would stick. >> georgia's rico statute quote requires a pattern of misconduct as shown by violations of two or more cries specified in the statute these predicate crimes can include committi

. >> and amy lee copeland. what about following a judge in a situation like this?aker. so whatever the judge as a question of witnesses. everybody in the room they leans forward. what does that question tell you about how the judge is looking at this? >> that is not a great question from mr. meadows motion. the judge is interested that he is putting out his machete to cut through everything and he is kind of drawing his own conclusions its own psych that no one really thought that this was a settlement discussion at the time this call was made. again you have brad raffensperger. and engineer by trade before he became secretary of state. a very precise man who talks about how never see is about even taken this call. he thought it was a campaign call because they were campaign attorneys on the phone. he thought that the shipment beyond this at all. that it went beyond the bounds of what he hearda softball question. it was this really a settlement call? does not bode well from mr. meadows. >> and barbara mcquade there seems to be credibility questions for mark meadows

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we have andrew weissmann joining us with two georgia experts, gwen keyes fleming and amy lee copelands coming, but apparently we are not going to get that big moment on monday, where we were supposed to hear the trump defense for the first time. unfortunately. >> listen, lawrence, my monday is free and now apparently my april of the year 2026 is booked. >> don't be surprised if it happens before that, alex. >> okay, i won't be. >> thank you, alex. >> have a good show. >> thank you.

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