writes about hollywood, but she wrote a block buster article last summer in which she called out amy pascalwas really hurtful. fink is best friends with pascal's husband -- liz: was. >> was. so let me walk you through this. you get this horrid article from the standpoint of amy pascal, and she writes about nicki fink to her husband. she writes this: -- liz: amy pascal's husband, former writer for "the new york times" -- >> right. who may or may not have been feeding information to nicki fink. but here's what pascal writes to her husband about nicki fink: >> this is so third grade, does hee her, does he not like her? : >> pretty incredible, right? liz: yes. so that's that part -- liz: nicki finke doesn't care because that's how she's made a successful name in hollywood. what she says is the truth about anybody. >> and there are people in hollywood who fear the nicki finke phone call. liz: oh, truths you -- me, everyone in hollywood fears her. she doesn't have the -- >> hey, can we show her web page? liz: we actually just did. >> show it again because this is important. nicki finke, you would

just so happens she was at a breakfast with amy pascal.re is a pretty icy photo of the two of them greeting each other. so if you're asking how it affects talent relations, amy pascal is known as somebody who has warm relations with talent. this is an important thing. this is a business of relationships, and that makes everything frocked at the moment for sure. >> sreenivasan: sharon waxman, james lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: this week, congress is going down to the wire again on averting a government shutdown. new and familiar divisions emerged among both parties. and all that happened just days after a report on the c.i.a.'s alleged use of torture went public. for all that and more, we turn to the analysis of shields and brooks: syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times columnist" david brooks. welcome, gentlemen. so, mark, we're going right down to the wire once again on a spending bill. was this inevitable? lame duck session, after the midterm elections. is this what we knew would happen? >> probably

but then amy pascal contacted al sharpton? i don't get that. >> you know, i don't get it either, except this is the way it works now. i think especially among the liberal elites. he's their point man on all race relations. president obama has blessed him, given him that title because he so hates jesse jackson. i think it's just ridiculous. it shows you how corrupt the system is. while you guys are all on the high and mighty stage about outrage over e-mails, i'm going to take the low road this morning and let me just say her comments about a harvard-educated law professor, president of the united states, as only liking low-brow kevin hart movies, now that's -- i mean, that's outrageous. that's insane. talk about racial stereotyping. >> -- to your browser history and finds some sites that maybe you visited that you're not too proud of. this is their private information. i think it's inappropriate to judge them. this was not for public disclosure. >> any time anybody acts in a racist manner and has conclusions about me based on m

that could not have gotten made without amy pascal. so i do not believe she's a racist. think we all make stupid mistakes and say stupid things, a joke here and there. but unfortunately this all came back to haunt her. but i do not believe she's a racist. i absolutely done believe that. >> all right. joining me now to talk about all of? alan dershowitz, author of "terror tunnels" now available on e-book. sharon waxman, editor in chief of the wrap. did i say cnn pictures or sony pictures? >> you did. >> sony pictures. you're shaking your head. especially during the part with tyler perry. why is that? >> well, you know, this is such a hard issue. there are free speech issues on both sides. the purpose of this hacking is to prevent studios from putting out controversial movies. imagine the next studio that wants to put out a movie critical of islam. those folks are not going to just hack. they're going to engage in violence. so we have to protect freedom of speech on that side. on the other hand, we have to protect freedom of speech of newspapers and the media that want to

amy pascal apologizing for racially insensitive e-mails about president obama. scott ruden said jolie a spoiled brat before jolie and pascal ran into each other. >> it's a disaster for the studio and it's a corporate e-mail. >> reporter: whether pascal will be pushed out. said i'd be surprised if my entire legacy was based on the leak of the e-mail exchange. disrupt download sensitive data, reporting sony is using hundreds of computers to executive the denial of service attacks as the stakes and the cost continue to rise. >> it's hard to estimate but at least tens of millions of dollars. you have five films pirated, the cost of remediation, the probable lawsuits from employees, exemployees, state and identities compromised and it goes on and on. >> reporter: hollywood players turn to social media to respond to the private negative comments about them now shared with the world. producer megan tweeting, bipolar 28-year-old lunatic? i thought myself as more eccentric. kevin hart responding from calling a. it's time to get back to building this empire i've dreamed o

scandal, a list of actresses who want a role in the remake of "ghostbusters" and sony co-chairman amy pascal's take on movie deals with screen writer aaron sorkin. she already apologized for e-mails exchanged with producer scott rudin that included racially tinged speculation about president obama's taste in movies. >> i certainly think that the decision ms. pascal made to apologize was the right one. >> reporter: after two weeks little is known about who's behind the cyber attack. sony's not commenting on the investigation. the north korean government angry over the release of "the interview" denies any involvement. and some cyber security experts believe there's a chance a current or former employee at sony could be involved. >> the scope and depth of the data collected as well as the type of data is that that someone in i.t. or in the security team would have access to. >> reporter: hackers are relying on media outlets to publish the documents. creating unethical dilemma for journalists. the editor of "variety" compares the cyber attack to the recent leak of naked celebrity photos. >> i don

like the e-mail exchange between sony co-chairman amy pascal and movie producer scoot rudin, reported by buzz feed. in it racially tense speculation about president obama's taste in movies. today amy pascal issued an apology saying in part, the content of my e-mails to scott were insensitive and inappropriate, but are not an accurate reflection of who i am. rudin apologized as well. private e-mails written in haste can result in offense where none was intended. i am deeply sorry. across hollywood e-mails are drying up. and the phones are ringing again. >> they know if there's anything sensitive or anything that they don't want to be read by the whole world, they're shifting those conversations to the phone. >> reporter: but this hack is not just e-mail. ed lee is the managing editor of the tech website recode which partners with nbc news. they have access to the documents. >> the hackers they claim they downloaded almost 100 terabytes of data. reams and reams of it. >> reporter: 100 terabytes are equal to 100,000 gigabytes, or roughly the data that can be stored in 781 of the most exp

then also with al sharpton and the naacp in terms of the racial comments, 'cause if you go back, amy pascal'sed and they were very racially charged. she's dealing with like a bifront war front here, one being al sharpton. >> thorps between amy and rudin, the famous producer. they were talking about, okay, what should we show the president? meanwhile, ultimately what it comes down to is north korea, if that's who it was, is controlling what is seen. controlling content. chris rock had this to say about the sony e-mail and included donald sterling, the guy who ran that basketball team. he says, quote, i say inappropriate things for a living. so when i see a guy lose his property over what he said in private, that's scary. i'm not defending what sterling said at all, but if that's not the first amendment, then what is? and what did he say? i don't want my girlfriend hanging out with black basketball players? me neither! >> leave it to chris rock. bring it full circle will there. >> his point is well taken of the a lot of people agree with him. but he did get $2.5 billion for the clippers. i don'

if this were a fair world and if amy pascal were a republican, she couldn't leave her house. >> wouldlose his job? would rush and glenn and mark lose their jobs? would don imus lose his job if it was him that said something similar? >> i don't think so. >> oh, wrong. >> something similar about some basketball players and some hair -- you did throw his name in. i don't think so. at the end of the day you get ratings, you bring in a lot of money. i do think -- >> rush limbaugh, sean hannity having that discussion and it gets out in the papers. you don't think that would be a much bigger deal? you don't think there's a liberal bias that "racism or insinuations is acceptable by the liberal left? i think the double standard is obvious. >> i do think there is not a double standard. i do think it's acceptable, i have to say, as a white chick that would an african-american make such a remark there is a past given. but these people are not african-american. and i do think there are liberals today that are defending these people. but i don't think there's any difference. i think their remarks a

amy pascal apologizing for racially insensitive e-mails.ke a look at this photo taken on wednesday. doesn't it look like she is apologizing? this taken days after correspondence leaked out in which ruden referred to jolie as a spoiled brat. pascal said i would be surprised if my legacy is based on the leak. the studio is working to stop the bleeding. recode reporting sony is using hundreds of computers to execute a denial of service attack to shut down sites where stolen data is available. the stakes continue to rise as reports surface that dozens of employee's health information has been leaked. big hollywood players are weighing in. producer responding tweeting bipolar 28-year-old lunatic? kevin hart responding on instagram. writing i refuse to be broken people with that being said it is now time for me to get back to building this empire i have always dreamed of. shock waves rippling. sources telling me there is a big shift away from doing business on e-mail and towards the phone and across hollywood people are searching correspondents t

just today there was a town hall meeting at sony where amy pascal and michael linton discussed. >> doon me? >> do you remember the don imus case? >> i do. >> he stepped forward and he still got fired. >> i think that what the heads of sony want to do in this situation, there is a lot more unfolding here. i mean, just yesterday we have seen a sort of libel chill been put on the media about discussing some of these topics. >> but do you think that maybe the fact that hollywood liberals donate a lot of money to barack obama and democrats has a little something to do with the lack of outrage? >> i don't know, sean. i got to tell you, out here there is a lot of outrage. i think a lot of people feel these remarks were entirely inappropriate and really want to know, you know, exactly how we can make this a better discussion? i think that unfortunately what's happened is this hacking has revealed some very ugly sides. >> jesse, we have 15 seconds. >> you know, sean, this woman apologized to al sharpton which she should have never done. a decent person would have said okay, i'm sorry. i accept

. >> reporter: producer scott rudin and sony co-chair amy pascal have issued an apology for racist commente- mail, but paul says major changes need to be made to prevent investors and talent from going to other studios. >> i think the first step is you cut her. second, is you bring in a strong leader who is the opposite of her. >> reporter: lippert says corporations are used to throwing money at problems and she thinks that's what sony should do. her advice is to court more black talent and pay to retrain all of the employees. she says that still may not be enough. what happens to the business that is sony? >> i think sony is taking a huge hit in its reputation and it's going to have to do a lot more than have amy pascal take responsibility for what she eptually said. >> reporter: both of the experts we spoke to said the lesson from sony's misfortune is that nothing is private. jim, one of the experts went so far as to say anything you write in an e-mail at work you should expect to see on the front page of a newspaper. >> axelrod: thank you. up next, some guys popped the question on bende

. >> amy pascal. got to go.tertainment. >> change the culture and talk about the hack and also human behavior and people are more focused on human behavior portion of it. what we're looking at right now with the theaters is fear is changing our behavior to be fearful going into a theater. that is very different than looking at an email. a lot heightened more heightened as behavioral problem. liz: what is so bad about what she has said in some of these e males? she argued forcefully to get a certain movie made about steve jobs. >> yes. liz: she didn't disagree outright with scott rudin a producer about angelina jolie being a brat but she didn't chime in either. she seems to be trying to please a lot of people, said a few ridiculously lame things people termed racist but is that worthy of jettisoning a 30 plus year career. >> we hear so many people who lose their jobs because of reputation. the key here is trust. we have fear replacing trust and that's a big problem. you have a morale problem within the corporatio

she talks about how she's going to have dinner with barack obama so amy pascal, not just one of the mostmen in hollywood but in the world. affoccording to "forbers," numb 28 on the most powerful women in the world. she joked "should ski obama if he liked django unchanged? the butler." now she's apologized. she said "the content of my e-mails to scott" another big producer in hollywood "were insensitive and inappropriate but not an accurate reflection of who i am. although this was a private communication that was stolen, i accept full responsibility for what i wrote and apologize to everyone who was offended." scott rudin also apologized. but i want to get back to motive. because although we don't know for a fact north korea was behind this attack, carol, we do know for a fact that they didn't like this movie "the interview" and imagine if they were able to get the job of the co-chairwoman of sony. some people are saying she might lose her job because of this. some important media analysts in hollywood so imagine the type of power that north korea if they're the ones behind this has. >>

now e-mails about scott brood den and amy pascal show them making potentially racist jokes over moviessident may like. according to buzz feed pascal asked brudin advice before going to an obama fundraiser pascal saying what should i ask the president at the stupid jeffery breakfast? brudin responding would he like to go to the movie -- finance movies. i doubt it. what they traded names like the butler and think like a man. he added ride along saying quote i bet he likes kevin hart. both execs are apologizing. rudin said i made re, ma meant only to be funny but in the cold light of day they are thoughtless and senseless. >> although this was a private communication that was stolen i accept full responsibility for what i wrote and apologize to everyone who was offended. records show in 2011 the sony honcho cut a 5,000 dollar check for the president's reelection campaign. scott rudin gave 12,000 over the years to democratic causes. >>> >> the group of moms from california trying to stay awake with their kids during the afternoon slump. >> i am reporting at target, and papa if you aren't

beyond amy pascal, how damaging is this to the studio?r security experts say this clean up and trying to contain this issue costs tens of millions of dollars. that's to say nothing about the kind of legal costs associated with it and the costs and damage to a brand that you then have to try to repair. so clearly all kinds of issues and at the same time, you are running a multinational studio and as you can see, this kind of digital disruption causing all kinds of other headaches. >> talk about shifting the focus. there's another part of the story that we have been talking about at nbc news, that is the discussion of what to actually put out in terms of information. at the end of the day, these e-mails however insensitive or damaging, were still hacked and they were essentially stolen. how did you come to that decision? that is how decision about where the line is and what should be published and what should remain private? >> an excellent question. this is new ethical terrain for a lot of the news organizations. the fact remains as journa

amy pascal made the remarks to a film producer in emails leaked by hackers who attacked the studio'somputer network. she said: the hackers who broke into sonys computer system have been revealing a stream of sensitive information. it is not known who was behind the hacking. there is no shortage of suspects. >> the hack attack stole enormous amounts of sony's confidential information, and brought the studio giant to its knees overnight, data made publicly available on the internet included financial documents, emailed transcripts, unreleased movies and the salaries, tax identification numbers and personnel files of 3,800 sony employees, including the c.e.o. and all the company's senior management. sony has asked the f.b.i. to investigate. the hackers who call themselves guardians of peace have not been identified. some experts and u.s. officials suspect north korea. the regime in pyongyang is furious over the comedy "the interview" in which the stars obtain and interview with the north korean leader only to be persuaded to use the opportunity to assassinate him. >> we would love it if

as i said, this is the first public apology from a sony executive amy pascal after the latest e-mail.he fbi is still investigating this. there are some clues pointing to north korea. it is widely speculated that north korea could be behind this. sources say there are some of the coding used in the hack was run in korean. there are other clues. we are told by law enforcement sources, they don't know who is behind the hack. it is still under investigation and it may be a while before we find out. christine. >> pamela brown, thank you for that this morning. >>> the cia playing defense after that scathing senate report accuses the agency of torturing terror suspects. its director holds an unprecedented lengthy news conference. but it is what he didn't say that is causing controversy. that's next. [ male announcer ] are you so stuffed up, you feel like you're underwater? try zyrtec-d® to powerfully clear your blocked nose and relieve your other allergy symptoms... so you can breathe easier all day. zyrtec-d®. find it at the pharmacy counter. zyrtec-d®. your hepatitis c.forget it's slow mov

he, the chairman, has he met with embattled executive amy pascal?t those questions to sony

. >> amy pascal, is she the president?he co-chair, the highest ranking chairman. >> she bumps into angelina jolie, who already knows she has been called a minimally talented brat, i mean, if looks could kill, let me tell you, amy would be lying on the floor. but as we go forward with this thing what is going to happen to e-mails in general? are people going to stop using them? >> that picture was actually from a hollywood reporter event earlier this week. i was actually standing near there. but i think -- actually this is going to change the culture of hollywood. i think everyone around town is now thinking about the things that they put in e-mails, and the things that they may not want publicized, maybe talking candidly about an actor, maybe getting angry at someone, saying something they didn't really mean. those type of discussions are all happening right now. and this hack is really going to change things. >> you know what is interesting, it occurs to me you know we found out the nasa was collecting and doing all this

amy pascal reached out to reverend al sharpton and jesse jackson to begin what was described as the healing process in her apology as pointed out by joe. she's saying she is embarrassed. the same we're hearing from ruden. but this scandal has gone far past personal and social security. >> exactly. it's going to cost sony a lot of money in the long run. what actors want to work with sony. what directors, what scripts they'll get. it's not something about an embarrassing big e-mail. it's a big business problem. >> shonda rhymes one of the most powerful names in hollywood sent out a tweet and said calling sony comments racially insensitive remarks -- this comes on the heels of chris rock also talking about a lack of diversity. so these comments that are seen as racially insensitive go beyond president obama. it almost ripped the scab off the dirty secrets in hollywood that is rarely discussed. >> exactly. it's no secret that minority actors have a harder time getting their projects green lighted. now we're seeing why. we're seeing, you know, and yes, you can say it was a joke all you want. the

amy pascal is trying to make amends for her post about president obama.arpton, offering apologies but why is she getting a free pass from most main stream media? the reverend jesse lee peterson is with us. and do you think it would be the same reaction? asked would he like to finance movies? pas >> what if a prominent conservative had such an exchange? what do you think will happen? >> if that was a conservative, and by the way, merry christmas to you and your family. >> thank you. >> they will be called for your job. they'd probably be fired. >> yes. so unfortunate. and i have been saying for a long time that al sharpton and so called civil rights leaders are not gate keepers to the black community they're only using black americans to gain power, political power and finance. and unless corporate america, white corporate america, white americans stop catering to these people, they give them power when they cater to jackson and sharpton. >> i can't believe there hasn't been more outrage here. what is your reaction? >> as the reverend said, merry christmas

michael lynton, amy pascal are gone.tives are out and long-term profitability for sony is done because the creativity just won't be there. adam: cbs will buy it. let's move on. uber making another country's naughty list. this time south korea where officials indicted uber-ceo. is uber-shooting itself in the $41 billion-foot? let me start with you, rich. not just the ceo gets into trouble with the things he says. other people from uber. there is a fight with an uber executive and his landlord in san francisco which people over there are all talking about this executive filed a suit against the landlord. it was thrown out and being called frivolous. as hueber jumped the shark. >> comments made at dinner thought to be off the record. there is a lot of bad press for uber. story in the "new york post" today about a uber-driver punching somebody in philadelphia. anytime you have a company like uber, anything that happens to it will have such incredible attention whether it deserves it or not. taxi driver punched somebody in ph

domestic television distribution] >> today on "tmz" -- >> amy pascal in the middle of this turmoil at tour. >> she's an ad executive, who has gone to a few red carpets. getting images. >> misidentifies as sony's amy pascal. >> so her photo is now everywhere. >> i guess you can say we look alike but she's 20 years older than me. >> it's like there's this that has to come out. >> seth rogen, star of "the interview, the now not released "interview. >> seth, are you upset? >> he walks in. he has a little carrying case with him and out of the carrier pops a dog's head. oh, my god. he should not let the koreans know he has a dog. >> lance bass and

sony co-share amy pascal suggested the president would probably like movies starring black actors> thanks, governor. >> both of you look like christmas today. >> let's talk got not so happy a christmas gift for the sony corporation. my gosh, what a mess. let me just start with you. this kind of choses acps level unbelievable hhypocrisy, doesn' it? >> what this shows in their elitist echo chamber, they're around each other all day long, then they're being called out on it. (dget they r it's disrespectful not just to jeffrey captainburg, but to the president. to think that it was a stupid party like you're going to meet the president, ravrls of your background, whether you're conservative or democrat. >>. it's refreshing to hear a democrat and professed liberal, you know, they're willing to come on the show, but seriously, i do appreciate that you're willing to accept that what they did was just unconscionable. crystal, if a conservative had

if you're amy pascal and scott rudin what are you thinking?e biggest stars you have movies for, they have kevin hart's next two or three movies and i can bet, i talked to his people yesterday when the e-mails leaked about him, they hadn't seen it yet, so they were just getting wind of this, but you have to, you know, think that these people are not going to be happy, and not only do you have that, a lot of these stars, their agents have other huge stars, so this could definitely have a snowball effect. they've got some cleaning up to do, because this isn't good. >> nischelle turner, brian stelter thanks so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. and for many, it's a struggle to keep your a1c down. so imagine, what if there was a new class of medicine that works differently to lower blood sugar? imagine, loving your numbers. introducing once-daily invokana®. it's the first of a new kind of prescription medicine that's used along with diet and exercise to lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. invokana® is a once-daily pill that wo

this was after the revelation of an e-mail between pascal and rudin in which amy pascal called jolieature brat. with me now to discuss all of that, andrew wallenstein and cnn's own don lemon. don, usually you're interviewing me. i'm interested in hearing your reaction to those e-mails i was reading talking about president obama all referring to films with african-american themes. >> i didn't find it funny, obviously. i hate to call people's actions racist. they were certainly racially insensitive and i think it really makes the point of what chris rock has said about hollywood when he wrote the essay saying hollywood is a white industry and has a racial problem. it certainly does. and this highlights it. >> we see documentary evidence of it in a way we rarely see? >> right. think about those antiquated conversations that they were having. you would think that was back in the 1930s or '40 or '50s when people would talk in that manner. >> what is the fallout in hollywood? >> it's just amazing. and you have to wonder about the executives at the center of this, how this is going to impac

and another e-mail exchange, amy pascal discussed what she said to talk to the president obama abouto quentin tarantino's movie. they have now profusely apologized after the e-mails were leaked. amy pascal said, i accept full responsible for what i wrote and apologize to everyone who was offended. scott ruden accepted that his comments were insensitive and made a series of remarks that were meant only to be funny, but in the cold light of day they are in fact thoughtless and insensitive and not funny at all, he said. >>> to avoid litigation, no link between that story and this one, but here is a talking point for you. are men just late bit more stupid than women? that's the rather provocative suggestion from research published in the british medical journal. the team looked at bizarre deaths or injuries as reported to the darwin awards website, which keeps records of stupid deaths. and nine times more men than women were involved. they include a construction worker who was crushed to death after knocking down all of the building's support columns while still inside it. or the group o

he, the chairman, has he met with embattled executive amy pascal? fox business has put those questions to sony just a short time ago. and that terrorist attack in australia sending chills around the world. are law enforcement agencies virtually defenseless against the threat of so-called lone wolf terrorists? right now the markets are down, but off their earlier levels, so let's start the "countdown." ♪ ♪ liz: so about four minutes ago we checked on oil, melissa did it at the exact psalm time, below -- same time, below $56 a barrel and that, of course, is really confusing the markets right now. markets today have decided sliding oil prices are not a good thing -- today. global tensions are really worrying investors out there. let's take a look at the vixx, the volatility index. it had its biggest intraday swing in over three years. just over a week until christmas, will we ever see a santa claus rally this year? traders at the new york stock exchange, the cme group and the nymex. scott redler, let's just quickly talk about the fact that the volatili

. >> reporter: clooney was apparently upset by the bad reviews of "the monuments men" e-mailing amy pascale let you all down, not my intention. poll jiz, i've just lost touch." in a separate leaked e-mail exchange, pass call called leonardo di. rio's behavior despicable. >> i hate to see what they have up their sleeve next. it seems to be very concertive and and intelligent people doing this. >> reporter: as the leaks continue to slowly trickle out, sony hired david boyes who sent a threatening letter to the media including cnn asking it to stop publishing leaked information or face legal action. "if you do not comply with this request and the stolen information is used or disseminated by you in any matter, sony will have no choice but to hold you responsible." >> on the one hand david boyes on behalf of sony will argue this is stolen material, the media is aiding and abetting a burglar into the note who has stolen material and trying to get the benefit of it. on the other side media outlets will say hey, this is material of enormous public there and it doesn't matter how it came into our

scott rudin and amy pascal reportedly caught bashing angelina jolie, saying she lacked talent and hadego. the pair even making racial jokes about president obama, saying he might like the movie "django unchained" or "12 years a slave." brad pitt leading the backlash, speaking out to access hollywood. >> someone's conversation in e-mail or in person should be private. >> well, this has been an unpulu unprecedented attack. nothing like this has ever happened before. >> reporter: and could it be behind it all, north korea? north korean government website called "the interview" an evil act of provocation and one south korean think tank claims the hermit nation has a team of hackers capable of the attack. >> sony is in a no-win situation. if they pull the movie, they are seen as kowtowing to bullies. if they don't pull the movie, then, and if something does happen, they're putting lives at risk. >> reporter: but can hollywood be bullied? hollywood has caved from fresh from outside group claiming offense or sensitivities. in the 2012 remake of "red dawn." chinese villains were replaced with

a hong the revolutions, a heated exchange between amy pascal and rudden. in one vote rudden calls angelina jolie a spoiled brat. pascal makes a racially insensitive joke about president obama. the hackers also leaked a draft script of the next james bond film. >> some hackers posted messages saying they're going to keep leaking this information. they have made threats against families. >> state run media in new york praised the hack calling it a righteous deed by supporters. authorities in pyongyang denied involvement. despite the incident, sony and stars premiered the film last week if in los angeles. some thought it was all a publicity spot. >> i originally thought sony created the hack ago tack to generate the movie. >> tn things took a darker turn. the guardians of peace threatened the theaters that showed the film. major chains decided it wasn't worth the risk and cancelled the. >> it was inevitable that choices would be made. >> so are the north koreans behind this in u.s. federal investigators say yes although there's no public accusation. hackers u

. >> reporter: scott ruden and amy pascal have issued an apology for racist comments made in e-mails.s major changes need to be made to prevent investors and talent from going to other studios. >> i think first step is you cut her, second is you bring in a strong leader who is the opposite of her. >> reporter: lippard says corporations are used to throwing money a at problems and she thinks that is what sony should do. her advice toys court more black talent and pay to retrain all of the employees. she says that still may not be enough. >> reporter: what happens to this business that is sony. >> i think sony has taken a huge hit in its reputation and it is going to have to do a lot more than have amy pascal take responsibility for what she actually said. >> reporter: both of the experts we spoke to says lesson from sony a's misfortune is that nothing is private, one of the experts went as far as to say anything you write in an e-mail at work you should expect to see on the front page of the newspaper. vanita nair, cbs news, new york. >>> 6:18. mega mansion for sale, yeah, a home with

what is actually at stake, not just for the leaders like amy pascale, but for everybody involved?hat is on the line, in terms of movies financing, what the loss will be, but more broadly in terms of this studio's standing in hollywood? >> that is the question on the table. the movie itself, we published a story, you guys had a good story also, looking at the losses. the movie itself is about a $90 million loss right now. that is the cost of production cost of marketing. there are other losses that are estimated at having to rebuild the security infastructure, the digital infrastructure, the piracy of the five movies that were fully leaked online. that's tens of millions of dollars in that. that is certainly something the studio could withstand, and i think there is also potentially a valid insurance claim they could make against the cost of the movies they may be up to recoup through those means. when you are really asking is what is the future of sony pictures as a business, and that really is something that we all have to think about. first of all, there are not many major studi

and you have leaked e-mails between amy pascall and seth rogue an saying, this is the first time in 25ere in our involvement in a movie. please understand. instead of saying i don't want to be dictated to by the suits, which is, of course, artists will always say. but nonetheless, the decision was made to moveed for as the writers of the film wanted to, dwe picketing a real-life assassination. and i think that there is some questioning of the judgment behind that call. >> sreenivasan: david, i see you shaking your head there. >> well i think-- youç know, is appalling that, you know, ayersts are being interfered with. there have been plenty of movies in which foreign governments, foreign leaders have been depicted bat badly and where does it stop? do we allow the potential threat ofç a cyber attack influence te way a magazine covers something? do we allow it to influence the way-- >> it does already. it does already. >> no, it doesn't. i don't believe that it disw. it certainly wouldn't affect the way we cover something at our magazine. and i don't think it would affect the way the "n

in fact, amy pascal said those exact words, this is not who i am.eople might question that if they're seeing these e-mails out of context. it looks pretty shocking. gerri: i was amazed, because i didn't think this kind of joking would occur. what else are we seeing out of this? this has just been a drip, drip, drop of bad news for hollywood, and particularly sony. >> yeah. there are thousands of documents that have been made available, everything from internal spread sheets about profitability of movies to e-mail inboxes, communications with celebrities, scott rudin was calling angelina jolie a spoiled brat. very embarrassing e-mails. and it dose from that all the way -- it goes from that all the way up to financial subjects. gerri: these are people that regular americans don't know that well, but they are a critical part of the hollywood infrastructure, and it occurs to me if conservatives had made the kind of comments they were making in e-mail form, they would have been slain. i mean, the reaction would have been over the top. what kind of reacti

there are questionably or latently racist exchanges between amy pascal and scott ruden where she asksd i ask him if you like django. they go back and forth about those afro h-centric movies. is that a bigger deal than maligning the reputation and skills of angelina jolie? >> i would say so, internally also it's probably going to expose the fact that racism is pretty embedded in the system and that's kind of what it showed me but it was also interesting that they were talking about how pay wages and like the gaps at sony. so it was kind of interesting, that kind of angle. gives you a lot of insight. and i think these leaks will keep on coming out, so who knows. >> right. and the other thing is it made every single hollywood executive, most of whom are white, probably scared about the e-mails they have sent. there's clearly not enough people of color in the higher echelons of the hollywood food chain. i do think the angelina jolie picture of amy pascal today, i think you guys had -- i feel like buzzfeed had -- do we have the buzzfeed line? the claw hand at the bottom of the screen, i th